Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]2. If something did construct us and they do not adhere to the laws of this system in which we exist then we have no possible way of understanding them or quantifying any aspect of them.
All science relies on using some aspect of this system to measure another aspect of the system lest it be entirely theoretical, anything outside of the system is thus unmeasurable. If some entity did create us by consequence of an intentional act then they also created science.[/color]
As far as entities beyond our understanding go, perhaps it won't be "science" (I use quotation marks, because science evelopes a lot of feilds) that is used as a key to understanding the higher beings, but much rather some aspects of it will open up new feilds which will allow us to find out more.
Personally I'm of the belief that what is below is above, and vice versa. Logic would state that if we're able to see microscopic organisms which we otherwise can't view with our normal eyes, it is more than likely there are "macrobes" out there, that steer/guide/influence our own world in ways we can't really comprehend yet, or possibly never will. If you think about Planets, Suns, Black Holes, etc. essentially all space matter as intelligent bodies with equal or greater memory than ourselves (after all, if you scratch the Earth, it keeps a record of it, for a very very very long amount of time), and their positions are potentially guided by their own "will" (scientific rules heh), then more than likely there may be higher "macrobes" that control those rules under different rules they have placed over themselves, into infinity really wherever the end is, if there is one.
That's more or less how I see it. As Ford said though, it's 2-3 pieces in a 1000 (or I'd say a much bigger number than 1000, hopefully not infinity) jigsaw puzzle, and you can't say (one way or the other) that you can even remotely start to see the picture.
I can't disprove of the statement that ID really is out there. It is just my opinion that it is rather unlikely to be in the form of a "Man" with a family such as Jesus, etc. etc. - because that's unlikely as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who attempts to connect ID and religion really isn't able to have a glimpse of an active big picture.
Personally, I take religion as a history book which uses euphamisms and "code words" (not like code, but like words that used to mean other words that we have today) to explain some parts of history, a history which was probably removed for some reason from our history, by either other men (har har Illuminati crazy conspiracy theories), or more likely some natural disaster which kicked so much ass that we weren't able to document it, yet have documents from before it happened.
Anyway, the last paragraph is sort of psycho-insane babble, since I just don't know, so that's ignorable, and I'm still having it under "things to ponder on". One thing is for sure though. The mass translations of the Bible, Koran, and whatever other holy book there is out there, most likely made it defective permanently if even one word was translated innacurately, which I'm pretty sure happened. To begin to even glimpse into those books, you need them in the most original issue, with the original language. Everything else is more or less an unintentional lie. That's for damn sure.
