[Bobboau]

hwere is this, someone link them here, we need some more life in this thread.

[WMCoolmon]

Someone have the link to the on-demand webcast?

[Jal-18]

Jesus Christ, the suspense is killing me.  WHERE ARE THE BOOK PAGES?  Don't make me wait until next week's episode!!!

[NGTM-1R]

I think I proverbially put the final nail in the coffin here...

Pity too, I was actually able to think up both a counter-argument and a neutralization of it within twenty minutes of posting.

[Bobboau]

we need more creationists here, it's only fun when we are slightly outnumbered.

[Ford Prefect]

That situation kinda makes me want to slit my wrists.

[StratComm]

we need more creationists here, it's only fun when we are slightly outnumbered.

First, no one needs more Creationists.  They just mean that many fewer people that actually understand anything of importance

Secondly, I think that's the problem.  It only takes so long for a lone creationist to realize that we derive amusement from their idocy and to stop posting.  Unfortunately it makes them feel picked on, which reinforces their misconception that there is some conspiracy to keep them down which in turn reinforces their beliefs.  I'll admit though, I'm a little ticked at Zman for his literally days of promises that he'd post excerpts from this book of his only to not ever get them up.  Maybe he realized they wouldn't stand up to the scrutiny that we were throwing at similar "evidence", which would be great because it may mean he's realizing it wasn't as true has he had believed.  Or maybe he just realized that we weren't joking with him, or he got intimidated and gave up.  But whatever it was, I'm ticked off at the repeated promises of it being just around the corner never to materialize.

[aldo_14]

we need more creationists here, it's only fun when we are slightly outnumbered.

First, no one needs more Creationists.  They just mean that many fewer people that actually understand anything of importance

Secondly, I think that's the problem.  It only takes so long for a lone creationist to realize that we derive amusement from their idocy and to stop posting.  Unfortunately it makes them feel picked on, which reinforces their misconception that there is some conspiracy to keep them down which in turn reinforces their beliefs.  I'll admit though, I'm a little ticked at Zman for his literally days of promises that he'd post excerpts from this book of his only to not ever get them up.  Maybe he realized they wouldn't stand up to the scrutiny that we were throwing at similar "evidence", which would be great because it may mean he's realizing it wasn't as true has he had believed.  Or maybe he just realized that we weren't joking with him, or he got intimidated and gave up.  But whatever it was, I'm ticked off at the repeated promises of it being just around the corner never to materialize.

I think I might have scared him off by asking for the title and author of it.  Presumably he got it from his church or something.

Kind of glad, though.  How annoying would it be to have to quote off a scan?

[Mefustae]

I think I might have scared him off by asking for the title and author of it. Presumably he got it from his church or something.

Kind of glad, though. How annoying would it be to have to quote off a scan?

I guarantee it was 'Of Pandas or People' or whatever that toilet-paper grade material is called.

[aldo_14]

I think I might have scared him off by asking for the title and author of it. Presumably he got it from his church or something.

Kind of glad, though. How annoying would it be to have to quote off a scan?

I guarantee it was 'Of Pandas and People' or whatever that toilet-paper grade material is called.

(I think I mentioned that exact book as an example of how ID is creationism in all but name)

That always kind of amused me; the Pandas' thumb is a great example for evolution, precisely because it's not really a thumb per se but an evolved feature (a co-opted sesamoid; something which fulfills another purpose in other bears) to fulfill a function.  i.e. if there was an Intelligent Designer, the Pandas thumb shows he/she/it wasn't a very good one or they'd have a proper thumb-finger.

EDIT;
http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/news.asp?id=4298; i'll just quote the last paragraph
[q]Science has proved enormously successful in advancing our understanding of the world, and young people are entitled to learn about scientific knowledge, including evolution. They also have a right to learn how science advances, and that there are, of course, many things that science cannot yet explain. Some may wish to explore the compatibility, or otherwise, of science with various religious beliefs, and they should be encouraged to do so. However, young people are poorly served by deliberate attempts to withhold, distort or misrepresent scientific knowledge and understanding in order to promote particular religious beliefs.[/q]

[karajorma]

Yep I agree wholeheartedly. I think there was another quote I read somewhere that summed it up for me.

"Being open-minded is fine. Science is all about being open-minded. However you shouldn't be so open minded that your brain falls out."

[kingdragon]

Here's MY theory of "intelligent Design":

God did the big bang, everything else (including evolution) just HAPPENED!!

DO NOT TRY AND FIND ANY "HIDDEN MEANING" IN THIS OTHERWISE  OR THIS IF I'M NOT IN A GOOD MOOD

[aldo_14]

Here's MY theory of "intelligent Design":

God did the big bang, everything else (including evolution) just HAPPENED!!

DO NOT TRY AND FIND ANY "HIDDEN MEANING" IN THIS OTHERWISE  OR THIS IF I'M NOT IN A GOOD MOOD

So what 'did' God?

[CP5670]

The hanging light above Bosch's head.

[Styxx]

The hanging light above Bosch's head.

This could make this thread so much more fun!

...then Bosch woke up! He went to the toilet and when he flushed...

[Shade]

The on-demand webcast is now up for anyone who wanted to watch but couldn't. Enjoy

[Nuclear1]

...then Bosch woke up! He went to the toilet and when he flushed...

...a Shivan popped into the bathroom and began to...

W00T for TAS

[Bobboau]

well, I hearb, relectently, declare victory, I was so hopeing they would try harder.

[Mefustae]

well, I hearb, relectently, declare victory, I was so hopeing they would try harder.

No, there is not nor shall there ever be 'victory'. While we may sit here thinking we provided a good arguement against ZmaN and Charasmatic's ludicrous assertions, it doesn't matter in the slightest to them. Regardless of what we say, ZmaN and Charasmatic don't want to change their opinion, they're sitting in front of their moniters, reading the calm and collected prose of Kara and Aldo, thinking 'damn, these idiots just don't get it'. The fact of the matter is, Creationists and ID Proponents are stubborn and unyielding in the face of pretty much everything. So convinced are they of their own intellectual superiority, that they will laugh at anything we present them with, no matter how logical and downright obvious. And IMO, that's totally cool in my book.

They've gone about their business because they think they've got all the answers, and I say let 'em be. As the old saying goes; to each his own... or something like that... i'm terrible with old sayings...

[Mars]

...a Shivan popped into the bathroom and began to...

  What the ****ing hell?