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Offline ShivanSpS

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Nah, in my campaing i put 2 Fenris againts 2 Atens (pre-FS1, so no beams), and the Fenrins owns the Atens... Both Fenris remain at 80%, so I have add two Osiris Bombers (whiout bombs, just Interceptors, MX-50 and Fury), the Osiris have unlimited waves until the Atens are destroyed... What now? about 60% each... The Feris really owns Atens thanx to the missile launcher, but that is in FS1...

But there is no way that a Fenris can beat a Cain...

About T vs V vessels... well, show a me single vasudan vessel that can beat to their Terran equal...

Fenris vs Aten= Fenris
Leviathans vs I dint remember thay name= Leviathan
Orion vs Typhoons= Orion *
Hecate vs Hephasup or whatever = Hecate I think :P
Deimos vs Sobek = Deimos
Colossus vs ?? the entire Vasudan fleet? :P

*hell, in FS1 I put an Orion vs a Typhoon, The orion and easly beat the Typhoon, and remain at 90%!
I need that the Typhoon hold up, so I add them a lot of hitpoints and 2 Bombers to disarm the Orion and even in this way is hard, and the Orion can win anyway.
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Offline Kie99

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If you were playing it on anything less than medium, and the Terran ship was friendly then it had a BIG advantage.
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Offline aldo_14

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I think the corvette class is setup to replace the cruiser class althogether, myself.  I'd imagine the likes of the Fenris and Levy only exist in FS2 because they've not manufactured enough Deimos' to replace them.

NB:  the Colossus is Vasudan. It's a hybrid.

 

Offline ShivanSpS

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Im always playing in Medium or Hard... easy is just too easy :P

About the Colossus, that has been a joke :P

 

Offline ShivanSpS

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and the Terran ship was friendly then it had a BIG advantage.

What you mean?

 
The Fenris seems like a perfectly good cruiser to me.  ;7



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Offline Nuclear1

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Fenris + 59 turrets = Win. :D

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Hecate vs Hephasup or whatever = Hecate I think

Depends on which direction the destroyers were coming from. If the Hecate was coming down on the Hatshepsut, it wouldn't stand a chance against those three BVas beams that the Hatshepsut can bring on it. From below, that's a different story.
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I can see the GTVA using Cruiser-sized Hulls to specialise, after all, why risk something like a Destroyer against a Shivan Destroyer when three Fenris-sized hulls mounted with single Large Beams could do almost equivalent damage and force the destroyer to divide its fire.

Special Ops, I think, is the destiny of the cruiser hull. Or as convoy escorts, but they would be heavy on the AA-Weapons, much like the Aeolus.

 

Offline Kie99

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and the Terran ship was friendly then it had a BIG advantage.

What you mean?
When your difficulty is set to Easy or Very Easy friendly ships are made stronger than hostile ships.  So if you had the Vasudan ship as hostile and the Terran Ship as friendly the Terran ship would be stronger than the hostile ship.
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Offline Mars

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Just have one set to hostile and the other to neutral, and have all teams at war.

 

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The GTC Aeolus is the first cruiser class ever produced by the RNI shipyards orbiting Laramis II. Only two dozen of these cruisers were put into service in GTVA fleets, with production ending in 2365. Allied Command assigns Aeolus-class ships primarily to guard slow-moving convoys against fighter and bomber wings, as these cruisers are severely out-gunned by most capital ships in service today. Their flak and AAA turrets serve as marvelous deterrents to smaller craft, however.
it says only two dozen were put into GTVA fleets, NTF could have taken the RNI shipyards and built more, or there were more built, but they were never finished or sent to frontline duty.

just a random thought.
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FS2 Tech Room Description

The GTC Aeolus is the first cruiser class ever produced by the RNI shipyards orbiting Laramis II. Only two dozen of these cruisers were put into service in GTVA fleets, with production ending in 2365. Allied Command assigns Aeolus-class ships primarily to guard slow-moving convoys against fighter and bomber wings, as these cruisers are severely out-gunned by most capital ships in service today. Their flak and AAA turrets serve as marvelous deterrents to smaller craft, however.
it says only two dozen were put into GTVA fleets, NTF could have taken the RNI shipyards and built more, or there were more built, but they were never finished or sent to frontline duty.

just a random thought.

Unlikely, though, if FS canon (Regardless of actual in game effectiveness) describes them as more or less useless.

 

Offline AlphaOne

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Umm not be to presumptios but wasnt the Sobek actualy better then the Deimos as capship warfare?? I mean i believe in the wiki it said that put one against the other the sobek would win! But that is not to say that is a better corvette then the Deimos. Actualy not at all! The deimos has superior AAAf defences then the Sobek.

Also werent the Typhoon the fear of the GTA in FS1?

Also the Hathshepsuit(sp?) is a better design then the Hecate also it has more hp.

The Hathshepsuit has better capship combat capabilities then the Hecate. I mean if you attack the Hecate other then from the front you will win. I mean with another capship.

Also regarding the whole top/bottom attack....as far as i knew ships could go up/down...whaterever..its a lot easier i presupe to go up or own then to turn the entire ship in order to have your best weapon targeted at the enemy as opesed to the weapons of the Hathshepsuit !

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The GTC Aeolus is the first cruiser class ever produced by the RNI shipyards orbiting Laramis II. Only two dozen of these cruisers were put into service in GTVA fleets, with production ending in 2365. Allied Command assigns Aeolus-class ships primarily to guard slow-moving convoys against fighter and bomber wings, as these cruisers are severely out-gunned by most capital ships in service today. Their flak and AAA turrets serve as marvelous deterrents to smaller craft, however.
it says only two dozen were put into GTVA fleets, NTF could have taken the RNI shipyards and built more, or there were more built, but they were never finished or sent to frontline duty.

just a random thought.

Laramis is 6 jumps away from Epsilon Pegasi and 7 jumps from Regulus...

EDIT: Not to mention going through Ross 128, Delta Serpentis, Beta Aquilae (most of these sectors are pretty important GTVA sectors), then a choice of going through a rather long run of Antares/Vasuda/etc... or Vega/Capella or Vega/Deneb which seems to be the safest path...
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Offline AlphaOne

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Aeolus could actualy be very usefull as a good antifighter/bommber platform for the bigger ships and convoys and even a better alternative to staion defence and jumpnode defence since it has superior weaponry to the leviathan!

They may be more expensive but then agin i would imagine corvettes ar not staioned at staion defences and jumnode defences everywhere.

I mean no matter what whenever i play fs and i see an Aeolus near by i get well a little more carufull this is something that a fenris or a leviathan have failed to do. Also When i see a Deimos and i know a hve to against it then im really worried.. good thing for the blind spots cuz well the i would be in serios trouble.
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Offline FireCrack

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Umm not be to presumptios but wasnt the Sobek actualy better then the Deimos as capship warfare?? I mean i believe in the wiki it said that put one against the other the sobek would win! But that is not to say that is a better corvette then the Deimos. Actualy not at all! The deimos has superior AAAf defences then the Sobek.
The deimos is also better in the anticap department, as would be expected, the Sobek is much older than the Deimos.
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Also werent the Typhoon the fear of the GTA in FS1?
Yeah, but it didnt adapt to beam weapons well, so now it's complete and utter tosh
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Also the Hathshepsuit(sp?) is a better design then the Hecate also it has more hp.

The Hathshepsuit has better capship combat capabilities then the Hecate. I mean if you attack the Hecate other then from the front you will win. I mean with another capship.
Yes, the Hecate is more of a carrier.
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Also regarding the whole top/bottom attack....as far as i knew ships could go up/down...whaterever..its a lot easier i presupe to go up or own then to turn the entire ship in order to have your best weapon targeted at the enemy as opesed to the weapons of the Hathshepsuit !
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline AlphaOne

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Then that means that the wiki needs to be updated!(regarding the Sobek vs. Deimos)!

Also since they are rather old designs doesnt necesaraly mean they are worse then theyr more modern counterparts. At least if we look solely at anticapship warfare the Orion is far superior to both the Hecate and its vasudan counterpart!

Regarding the Fenris I would imagine since the GTVA fleets have been battered/hammered/smashed to pieces the Fenris would be a good workhorse for the GTVA getting it fast to whre you need a capship to intimidate any would be agressors.

Also i would imagine it could be a medical cruiser in the end since it is fast and very mobyle. Just strip out its weapons sistem leave an aaaf beam and the missile launcher and 2 blob turrets to be able to defend itself against bombs and stuff like that and the you have it a good medical ship that is fast. sure it mai not compare itself to the Hipocrates medical cruiser but still.

Also when regarding supply depos these things are ideal.
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Offline Mars

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Nowhere in the wiki does it say the Sobek is superior, check for yourself Alpha, I just did.
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No, the part that bugs me about the Fenris is that it's only slightly superior tactically to a Hippocrates.

 

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However, in a toe-to-toe duel with a Deimos, the Sobek will win, after much testing around with FRED I've come to the conclusion that the Sobek is superior in capital ship combat, but much, much, much weaker in terms of anti-fighter ability.

this is taken from the wiki veterans comments section.

this is what I have been talking about!

Well yea regarding the Hipacrates you may be right but then again i cant but feel that the fenris would be a much safer choice when gooing into a hot zone to retreve wounded. The hipocrates is just so much larger and therefore easier to hit. Granted it is sleaker. But how fast is it? Is it faster then a Fenris? Or more resiliant to weapons fire?
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Offline Mars

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Key word, toe-to-toe, meaning aimless circles around each other, which is not the recomended way of conducting cap-ship tests (as explained to me by, who was it... Goober?). See, that's my opinion right there, but Veteren Comments, as was explained to me by Wanderer, are non-canon comments and peoples opinions about ships, to be taken with a grain of salt. I thought you were talking about the tech room data: the Vet Comments should never be taken as pure fact.

In the end yeah, I should probably change that

edit:Nah, I stick to it until somone sends me a mission that proves me wrong.
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