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Re: Worst Referee in the history of Soccer
Oh for ****s sake lets just end this.






Someone want to tell me how the ball is directly in front of Pirlo if Mastroeni was coming in at 90 degrees to him? I mean other than the fairly obvious conclusion that the ball wasn't there when Mastroeni actually made contact? Not that getting the ball means **** in this context. That kind of tackle could easily have broken Pirlo's ankle and that's why it was a red card offense regardless of whether Mastroeni touched the ball or not anyway.

As for the contact itself. I think we can see clearly in this pic that he is making contact between studs and ankle.

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pwnt :p
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Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJCJKLSIUyE

Yiou'll want to look at about 48 secs in.

 

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Re: Worst Referee in the history of Soccer
USA v Italy - worst referee in the history of soccer, contrary to the bull**** claims of the british commentators who have their heads up their asses those were NOT even bookable - i have video of the entire game and i've watch those over and over

A) Both players got the ball first
B) Both players game from the side
C) In no previous match in the world cup, or no previous match i've ever seen in history, would those have been bookable offenses, let alone a straight red card
D) This referee missed the 2002 World Cup because his own country suspended him due to unspecified irregularities

PS: it clearly shows in the replay that Pablo Mastroeni's cleats were DOWN
Which card are you talking about?  There were quite a few in there.

I watched the whole game and I would say that I have to agree with the referee on most of the calls.  The one was perhaps a bit suspect but a slide tackle with both feet missing the ball and nailing the guy. From the FIFA Handbook...that could be in the eyes of the referee as 'guilty of serious foul play'.  Thats an automatic red card.  I also have to agree with the Italian striker being thrown out for that elbow in the face.  That was much on the same lines.

I'm glad the referee took a very strong approach to the game.  Both teams were exceptionally physical in challenging each other for the ball.  There was alot of unecessary fouling that went on and it just disrupts the flow of the game.  I used to be a certified soccer referee and I hated doing games like that one.  There is no flow...its just foul after foul.  So maybe I have my head up my ass like the British comentators but I pretty much agree with the officiating from that game.

I have to admit I was cheering for Italy and not the US.  I don't think the US has a team that is capable of winning the world cup this year...no passion and no feel on the field.  But thats just a personal observation.  I was cheering for Poland but they are toast and England is still in the runnings so I've got my two favourite teams to cheer for (based purely on family lines here).

EDIT: Aldo...I think you hit a nerve there.
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italians toe is above pablo's boot, ball still there, challenge from the front and side, referee's view is obstructed

bad call, hands down - all the certified refs i know agree
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Icefire is a certified ref.

 

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You've got to be kidding... look at the youtube video that's been posted, he pushed the guy's foot...
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Tell me, then. In this image (click for larger version), what is happening in the red circle I marked? Oh, and what does the black bar I inserted show? Well I'll tell you: They show a studded American boot on an Italian ancle, and a very clear gap between the American boot and the ball, respectively. If all the certified refs you know can't see this, they should not be certified refs. In fact, they should be seeing an eye doctor.
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italians toe is above pablo's boot, ball still there, challenge from the front and side, referee's view is obstructed

bad call, hands down - all the certified refs i know agree

theyre also all american and biased, he's also not at Pirlo yet he's stilll got a couple milliseconds before hes there in which time it goes up or Pirlo's goes down, something like that
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I'd imagine Kazan probably doesn't know any world cup standard refs with the FIFA guidelines for 2006.

 

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The thread title made me ROFL. I watched the game zapping through swiss and german TV. And all the commentators and experts agreed that the best man on the field was the ref. And mind you, the german commentators were pro-US, since they were positively surprised by the US team.

The only mistakes IMO were the goals both teams made, but weren't counted since the refs were calling offside (Italy in minute 35, US sometimes in the 2nd half). Judging by the replays, it was a questionable decision, both times.

First red card, no discussion necessary. De Rossi is an asshole and he's known for it. He pulled something similar in a test game against Switzerland just before the WC.

Second red card was clear too. I've seen the replay several time on a big TV. He didn't touch the ball, just slammed into Pablo's foot.

Pope's 2 yellow cards were both justified, although it looked like the ref forgot that Pope already had a yellow card when he issued the 2nd. He got the red card out, just when he was writing down Pope's name on his paper thing.

All in all, crazy game. US team played well, Italy played like ****. But the first goal proved that the Italians can score out of nothing.
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Re: Worst Referee in the history of Soccer
even if pablo's was justified - popes was not

pope came in studs down and away from the italian, got solid ball contact before touching the player, contact was shin guard to shin guard - italian clearly dove
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Doesn't matter what it is...argue till the sun explodes....

Ref made the right call at the time.  It doesn't matter who said what or what footage is replayed later.  The guy is on the field and has to make the decision and it can't be made later...it has to be right away.  If you haven't been a game official in that sort of capacity before you should probably pack your bags now because its ALOT harder than it looks and sounds.

Even if footage disagrees with the referee's assessment it doesn't matter.  That was the call.  You don't win any friends by changing your mind after you've already indicated it.
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Re: Worst Referee in the history of Soccer
pope came in studs down and away from the italian, got solid ball contact before touching the player, contact was shin guard to shin guard - italian clearly dove

Looks like I have to find pictures again cause he did nothing of the sort.

Here we go. Video of the incident. From the forwards angle it may look as though he does make contact with the ball you can see from the reverse angle that

a) He doesn't touch it.
b) He smacks into the back of the italian's legs pretty hard.

Definite yellow card offense.
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I'm pretty sure a tackle from behind is considered dangerous play irrespective of getting the ball nowadays anyway; I think that rules been about since 1998.

EDIT;
aha http://access.fifa.com/en/history/history/0,3504,2,00.html
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1998

Law XII - Fouls and Misconduct
A tackle from behind which endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Acts of serious foul play are punishable by a red card.

 

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True but I don't think Pope was sent off cause his tackle was dangerous enough to merit a red. The ref seems to take a while to realise that he's already given pope a yellow previously and has to now give him the red.

In fact if you watch the video closely he even appears to get ready to write Pope's name down on the yellow and then notices that he's already there before going for the red. :D
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Yep.  I think there was doubt enough about intent to stop it being straight red.

 

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Did look like he was going for the ball, but he hit the italian from behind instead. So that was a dangerous tackle by any account, and merited a yellow. Ref did look rather flustered when he realised it was going to be a red, but strictly speaking refs shouldn't take into account prior bookings anyway so in a sense he was just doing it right :p
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Well what about Romanias game with Denmark with thatUrsz something was his name hows that for obvious stealing a game. They did a formakl complaint to the FIFA but to no use. They even awarded him some prize not long after. Well at least the comentators said something i will never forget and that is that he has to be insane to come in Romania in vacation or otherwise.
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Well what about Romanias game with Denmark with thatUrsz something was his name hows that for obvious stealing a game. They did a formakl complaint to the FIFA but to no use. They even awarded him some prize not long after. Well at least the comentators said something i will never forget and that is that he has to be insane to come in Romania in vacation or otherwise.

What on earth are you wibbling on about?