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Offline Goober5000

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Dunno.  Turey hasn't responded to any of my requests for clarification.

 

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Re: FreeSpace Open Installer! Download it now!
We've contacted the owner of the Installer web site.

Turey?
My blog

Quote: Saturday, 11 July 2020, 1354hrs UTC, #freespace
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So I presume.  I probably should have put "author" rather than "owner".

 
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Do you guys have any idea how intimidating that wall of instructions would seem to anyone not well-versed in computers?

I'm betting two out of three people that hadn't actually experienced FreeSpace and really wanted more would simply give up right there.

I copy + pasted the install instructions to MS Word.

You have to use size 5 font to get it to fit on one page, after you attack the margins to get it to use the whole page.

Worth it?  Sure.

Really that hard?  Not really.

How is the average Joe supposed to know that this is worth his time and not a waste of effort when he's used to making snap decisions as to whether something is worth their time in the first 2-3 seconds after loading a search result?

I don't know.

 

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And we should give a f*ck about that why ?

I mean, if people don't have the motivation to install FSO, they don't have the motivation to install FSO. There's nothing we can do about that.
People are stupid, therefore anything popular is at best suspicious.

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And we should give a f*ck about that why ?

I mean, if people don't have the motivation to install FSO, they don't have the motivation to install FSO. There's nothing we can do about that.

...except make them more motivated to install FSO by making it less intimidating.

 

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If a mod or admin would be so good as to give me a copy of the source of the "instructions for real men" post, I'll propose a revised version that communicates the same information (more or less) in fewer words, while preserving the original version's style as much as possible. [I can't get the source because the thread is locked, meaning that there's no "Quote" button to press.]

Thanks.

 

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Re: FreeSpace Open Installer! Download it now!
Thanks, Vader.

How's this? I didn't want to put it in the official thread, since no one else has looked at it yet.



This installation method is the one where you download everything yourself and then put things where they should go. It may sound scary, but it really isn't.

Other methods include:
- Turey's FreeSpace Open Installer (DOESN'T WORK PROPERLY AT THE MOMENT)
- Manual installation on Linux / Mac OS X



Below is an ~8-step list of instructions for installing FreeSpace Open (FSO) on Windows the manly way. The orange steps are absolutely necessary and there is no way to skip them. All other steps are optional.

If you encounter problems, please read the Troubleshooting FAQ.

Step 1) Install FS2
Install the game to C:\Games\FreeSpace2\ unless you have a really good reason to choose a different location, in which case see the notes at the end of these instructions.

If you already have a directory named C:\Games\FreeSpace2\, either delete it or rename it to C:\Games\FreeSpace2old\ before installing FS2.
Why? Because FSO is just a game engine. Think about it. If you go to the automobile store and buy an engine, it won't do you much good; you need the rest of the car as well.

Step 2) Get OpenAL
Download and install OpenAL, which is a free audio library. Choose the one labeled OpenAL Installer for Windows.

Why? Because FSO uses OpenAL for producing the sound. FSO won't work without OpenAL. At all.

Step 3) Get 7-Zip (recommended)
Download and install 7-Zip, a free program that will allow you to uncompress a wide range of compressed file formats.
Why? Because many of the things you might want to download, including most mods, are compressed using formats that Windows can't handle on its own, such as .rar and .7z. If you get 7-Zip, which can handle these file formats, you'll never have to worry about being unable to uncompress any files you download.

Step 4) Get the latest trustworthy FSO build and the launcher
Get the 3.6.12 Final Inferno build and a launcher from the release thread.

If you want to try a more recent but possibly unstable build called a "nightly build," or if you want to know what "Inferno" means, see the notes at the end of these instructions.
Why? Because a "build" is a version of the open source game engine, or FSO engine. It is the single most important element of FreeSpace Open. You'll also need the launcher to configure the game, as you'll see later.

Step 5) Move the cutscenes to \FreeSpace2\data\movies\
If you got your copy of FS2 from Good Old Games, the cutscenes are located somewhere in \FreeSpace2\data2\ or \FreeSpace2\data3\ or some other folder with the name "data<some number>". They're the .mve files. Move them to \FreeSpace2\data\movies\ .

Want to save a little disk space with the cutscenes? See the notes at the end of these instructions.
Why? Because FSO can only read the cutscenes from that folder.

Step 6) Get the MediaVPs (also recommended)
If you want FS2 to look its prettiest, download the MediaVPs, which are a compilation of graphical enhancements, including high-poly models, improved textures, and new effects.
Most mods require the 3.6.12 MediaVPs, but some older mods might only work with the 3.6.10 MediaVPs.
Why? Because they look like totally cool.

Step 7) Set things up
Open the launcher, which you downloaded in step 4.
Click on the "Browse" button at the top of the launcher.
Select the build you want to use. This is the FSO game engine you downloaded in step 4. Select the one whose file name begins with "fs2_open_3_6_12r", such as fs2_open_3_6_12r.exe or fs2_open_3_6_12r_INF_SSE2.exe or so on.

If you got a nightly build (see the notes at the end for a description), select the build that starts with "fs2_open_3_6_13r", such as fs2_open_3_6_13r_INF-20110909_r7690.exe.
Want to know what the "r" means? See the notes at the end of these instructions.
Open the Audio/Joystick tab and make sure that Generic Software is selected. If you have a joystick, you can also check that it has been detected properly.
Open the Video tab and make sure that 32-bit colour depth is selected.

Click "Apply" at the bottom of the launcher to apply the changes.
Why? Because we assume that you'd want to avoid any problems caused by poor settings.

Step 8) Set advanced things up (do this if you got the MediaVPs)
If you have the MediaVPs and you want to use them, open the launcher's MOD tab. Click on "Select MOD". Select the folder called "mediavps_3612" (for 3.6.12 MediaVPs) or "mediavps" (for 3.6.10 MediaVPs) and click Ok.
Open the Features tab of the launcher.
Select "Graphics" as the list type.
Tick on at least "Enable specular", "Enable glowmaps", "Enable environment maps", and "Enable normal maps".
Select "Gameplay" as the list type.
Tick on "Use models for ship selection" and "Use models for weapon selection".
Click "Apply" at the bottom of the launcher to apply the changes.
If you want to enable further options, especially lighting, read through the command-line reference and sample lighting settings in the FreeSpace Wiki. Command line flags that can't be found in any of the lists can be manually added to the "Custom flags" text box, which is in the launcher's Features tab.
Why? Because you'll improve the graphics mucho this way.

Hurray! You have now successfully installed FreeSpace Open.

To update FSO, the launcher, or the MediaVPs:
  • To install new FSO builds, just put the new builds in \FreeSpace2\ and use the launcher to select the build you want to use. You can remove old builds, but leaving them won't cause any problems, since you can only run one build at a time. The other builds won't do anything during that time.
  • To install a new launcher, simply replace the existing launcher with the new one. Fun 'n easy.
  • To install new MediaVPs, delete or rename your old \mediavps_3612\ (for 3.6.12 MediaVPs) or \mediavps\ (for 3.6.10 MediaVPs) folder, then find the latest MediaVPs' release thread (which should be stickied in the FreeSpace Upgrade forum) and follow the instructions there.

Installing mods
Installing mods is very much like making love to a beautiful woman installing the MediaVPs. Any reasonably recent mod should have accurate installation instructions in their release thread, but if this is not the case, or if you run into problems, you can always follow these simple instructions below.
First, create a subfolder \FreeSpace2\<mod name>\ for the mod. For example, if you want to install the excellent Wings of Dawn, create the folder "\FreeSpace2\Wings of Dawn\".
Download the mod files.
Put the mod .vp files and other files (readme, mod.ini, .bmp pictures) in \FreeSpace2\<mod name>\ , or in this example, \FreeSpace2\Wings of Dawn\ .
Open the launcher and select the mod folder as your mod, in the same way you did with the MediaVPs in step 7. In this example, you'd select \FreeSpace2\Wings of Dawn\ .
Click "Apply" at the bottom of the launcher to apply the changes.

Important: When you start the game, go to the campaign room and select the mod's campaign (in this example, the Wings of Dawn campaign), because the main FS2 campaign is selected by default.



Installation notes

If you must install FS2 to somewhere other than C:\Games\FreeSpace2\
Note that
  • having FreeSpace 2 in My Documents or the Desktop will cause errors.
  • really long directory paths cause errors.
  • in Vista/Win 7, having FreeSpace 2 anywhere inside \Program Files\ can cause all sorts of surprising errors/problems.

Nightly builds
If you want to be 1337 master, grab the latest nightly build from the nightly builds board. Grabbing the most up to date **** possible may provide things such as improved performance, new features, money, power, women etc. If you see SSE or SSE2 and don't know what they mean, see the release thread for an explanation.

You'll need to download and install 7-Zip to uncompress the nightly builds download. Once you've downloaded your build of choice, find it in Windows Explorer, right-click on it, select 7-Zip then "Extract files...", click on the "..." button on the right, choose your FreeSpace 2 directory, then click OK.

Inferno vs. standard FSO builds
When viewing a release thread for a build, you'll notice that there are "Inferno" builds and "standard" builds available. Inferno builds support a larger amount of ship and weapon entries in the table files, thus making it possible to include more ships and weapons in a mod, for example.
You should get the Inferno build, because Inferno builds are multiplayer-valid and are slowly becoming the "normal" build, with the "standard" builds becoming more of an exotic thing.

Saving a little space with the cutscenes
Download the cutscenes in .ogg format, put them in \FreeSpace2\data\movies\, and either delete the .mve files or move them to somewhere else. Note that the .ogg cutscenes only work with FSO; retail FS2 requires the .mve files.

FSO build differences (or what the "r" and "d" mean)
When viewing the builds in your \FreeSpace2\ folder, you'll notice that there always seems to be a pair of builds, with maybe a difference of one or a few characters between them. If the file name contains the character "d" or the word "debug", it means that that build is a "debug" build (for example, fs2_open_3_6_12d.exe). Debug builds are used for generating debug logs (called fs2_open.log) when you run into problems using FSO. They are NOT meant for casual playing. Also, contrary to popular belief, debug builds do NOT magically solve whatever problem you're facing.
The builds that are not debug builds are "release" builds. Release builds have file names where the "d" is replaced with an "r" or is missing altogether (for example, fs2_open_3_6_12r.exe). Release builds are the ones that you should be using if all you want to do is play the game. So unless you need to generate a debug log, go for a "release" build, NOT a debug build.
Hopefully at some point, builds will be named so that the one you should use will have a simple name (like fs2_open_3_6_14.exe), while other builds have clear parts in their names to point that they are somehow different (like fs2_open_3_6_14_DEBUG.exe). But for now, you gotta spend money to make money. Or something.

If you've spotted typos, errors, out-of-dateness, something that's missing, or if you just think that these instructions suck, tell someone about it. Please don't bother Vader. He really doesn't care.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2011, 06:24:15 pm by jg18 »

 

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i finally did it. it really wasn't hard at all. scary at first yes, but now I'm confident enough to do it  :)
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Offline jr2

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And we should give a f*ck about that why ?

I mean, if people don't have the motivation to install FSO, they don't have the motivation to install FSO. There's nothing we can do about that.

Hmm.  We should care about it to expand our userbase and spread the pleasure of FSO to new users.   Some of the new users will contribute, and FSO will keep growing.

The whole devil-may-care attitude toward user friendliness is rather alarming.  I mean, you can only do what you can only do, but it makes sense to make an effort to improve the ease of use for the installation process.  For which I do thank jg18.

 

Offline Goober5000

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The new Installer is very user-friendly.

Sadly, it is not yet complete. :nervous:

Although I could probably hack it together to get the last screen working in an ugly fashion, and then fix it up later...

 

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Although I could probably hack it together to get the last screen working in an ugly fashion, and then fix it up later...

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Heh - what about "release early, release often"  :p
Creating a fs2_open.log | Red Alert Bug = Hex Edit | MediaVPs 2014: Bigger HUD gauges | 32bit libs for 64bit Ubuntu
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Offline jg18

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Heh - what about "release early, release often"  :p
Here's a thought from an archived version of "Why Free Software usability tends to suck" (April 2002; extended essay from August 2008 archived here):
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The practice of releasing early, releasing often frequently causes severe damage to the interface. When a feature is incomplete, buggy, or slow, people get used to the incompleteness, or introduce preferences to cope with the bugginess or slowness. Then when the feature is finished, people complain about the completeness or try to retain the preferences. Similarly, when something has an inefficient design, people get used to the inefficiency, and complain when it becomes efficient. As a result, more user preferences get added, making the interface worse.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2011, 02:21:32 am by jg18 »

 

Offline niffiwan

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Although my last post was tongue in cheek, that link has got some good points... being a command line jockey & a "power user" (I work as a sysadmin!) I can see myself making those sort of mistakes, especially the disdain for UI fixes!  :D

* niffiwan != designer!

Anyway - thanks for the link jg18 - good food for thought
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Offline jg18

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Re: FreeSpace Open Installer! Download it now!
* jg18 pretends to be a UI designer.

(I mean, reading a book or two instantly makes you an expert, right? ;))

Glad you liked the link, niffiwan.

I agree with LordMelvin that rushing the installer is not a good idea. Written instructions are admittedly a crappy substitute for an installer, but IMHO they'll have to do for now.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2011, 07:29:35 pm by jg18 »

 

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Installing this was easier than that wall of text that I just read  :D , haven't played this game in ages..

You could clean that wall of text up by just posting this:

#1: get the GOG.com version of FreeSpace 2

#2: open the \FreeSpace2\data\ folder and move the .mve(movie files) from the movie 2, movie 3 folders to the Movie folder..

#3: Download Freespace 2 open and the launcher from here:  http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=70692.0 (Launcher 5.5g , and 3.6.12 Final or later, SSE2 version if your CPU supports it)

#4: use WinRAR(ver 4.10) to extract Freespace 2 open(3.6.12 Final or later) to the Freespace 2 main folder \FreeSpace2, extract the launcher with winrar to the same folder..

#5: Open the \FreeSpace2 folder and run the launcher, enable or disable all enhancements you want, set the resolution you want, save it and exit the launcher..

#6: Run the game with the fs2_open_3_6_12r_INF_SSE2 .exe file...

#7: Obviously you add anything else here separating it with ----------------------- or something... breaking it up a bit  :) ..

I got this game running on this: FX-8150/HD6950/16gigs of ram/1080P 24"(1920x1080) monitor, game runs and looks perfect, props to the team for making this  :yes:

Also thanks jg18 for posting that wall of text ...it was helpful still, im just suggesting a cleaner way..so that its easier for new people ...it doesn't even have to be like mine obviously  :)
« Last Edit: October 31, 2011, 06:17:14 pm by BES »

 

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#4: use WinRAR(ver 4.10) to extract Freespace 2 open(3.6.12 Final or later) to the Freespace 2 main folder \FreeSpace2, extract the launcher with winrar to the same folder..


http://www.7-zip.org

right-click archive > extract to...