[S-99]

Uuugh, yes there was only one colossus, and there was many saths. But, this is what happens when you venture into new kinds of shipbuilding...you start out with one ship until more can be built. I'm just saying preservation of the colossus should be dire until more are built, after that preservation should still be dire. That's one of the things the gtva was using the colossus for was to strike fear into the ntf, that jugg was unbeatable, and will eat your destroyer for lunch, and it does that. After that keep the damn ship alive and kicking, well, the only thing the enemy sees is a very possible situation where that jugg will come back and rape them up the ass, because if you do it right, you can make the colossus seem to the enemy as a ship that can never be destroyed and be extremely feared. The enemy would just be like, holy ****, that damn thing just keeps coming back!
             But yes, when you start a new daunting ship design you start out with one of that type of ship until another is to be built, the colossus is effective and could use some minor tweaks, as well as the hecate class destroyer needing some minor tweaks(there's only a few of those in fs2 because they're new). In retrospect if the gtva made another colossus it would be better, serve it's purposes even better, survive better, and be applicable. The gtva shouldn't shy away from juggernaut designs because they've had one designed. I'm sure in the 20 years it took to build the colossus they've figured out ways to speed up and more streamline the construction of another juggernaut class vessel (20 years to build a vessel, you will figure out different and better ways to build something that your building for the first time a second time). So the next time the gtva would build a juggernaut, it would be built in a faster time period from previous experience and learning what to improve upon building time, and it would obviously be more powerful, it might not be as strong though. Look at the hecate, it's like a disposable destroyer compared to an orion (it's like those disposable cameras you buy at the store). If the gtva could make a disposable juggernaut, that would be quicker to build, but not as strong armor as the colossus. Even a disposable juggernaut built in less time than the colossus, would still be a match, and an enduring ship, and you could get more of them out there faster. I'm not saying sathanas fleet, i'm saying like maybe 5 juggs.
              After that, think of the other usefulness of a juggernaut could do. If the colossus hadn't been fighting ntf, i'd send that ship into the unexplored nebula. Like what people said, it's like a mobile installation, it'd be great for exploration. It has tons of fighters, good firepower for destroyer size vessels and for juggernaut size vessels if a game plan is devised, it has a lot of people, it's big, and not weak like hecate. Juggs for exploration purposes could leave home systems and not need to come back for a long time (juggs for longterm exploration). That's my view if juggs aren't only going to be offensive.

[Mars]

A destroyer would suffice as an exploratory unit.

[Snail]

Mars, Mars, Mars, always crushing peoples ideas and turning them into nothingness...

[Mars]

Mars, Mars, Mars, always crushing peoples ideas and turning them into nothingness...

Sooooooooorrrrryyyyyyyyy....

[Scooby_Doo]

GTVA needs Homeworld ship building tech   

Colossus scale ships aren't that hard to do... their just heavy cruisers 

[Mehrpack]

A destroyer would suffice as an exploratory unit.

hi,
i dont really think so.
why?

we know anywhere lure the shivans outside the GTVA space and i think if make an really deep space exploration, its really possible to encouter shivans.

a normal destroyer alone doesnt have really a chance, and will destroy it the first encounter or will hunt really fast down, but a small fleet with a ship of the sice of the colossus have maybe a chance and can make it back in one or two pieces.

yes i know, its not a guarantee that so an exploration fleet will survive a meeting with the shivans, but i thinks its higher as with a ship with normal size.
and you have a higher chance to get the gathering informations back to the GTVA.

the next thing is: modifications.

i think a greater dock, that allow maybe corvettes or destroyer to repair on that exploration, and/or a smallmanufacturing facility to rebuild weapons, ammo or fighters will help in a deep space operation too.

ok the only problem is the supply for so a big group.
energie, materials, food and maybe water.

in my opionion its a nice idea to think about it.

Mehrpack

[Snail]

Okay, in FS2 it was like this:

Hey, look Shivans. Let's get them out of Gamma Drax. Let's look at the portal. What's on the other side of the portal? Oooh, look cruisers. Hey, a destroyer. Whoa, d00d, a Sath. Run away. We pawned the Sath. We so cool. We go back to Nebula. OMFGWTF 80 SATHS! Run! OMG WE SUX0R. CLOSE GATE. Job done.

Next it would be more like this:

Hey, look Shivans. Let's not be idiots and leave the portal open.

[Dark Hunter]

Okay, in FS2 it was like this:

Hey, look Shivans. Let's get them out of Gamma Drax. Let's look at the portal. What's on the other side of the portal? Oooh, look cruisers. Hey, a destroyer. Whoa, d00d, a Sath. Run away. We pawned the Sath. We so cool. We go back to Nebula. OMFGWTF 80 SATHS! Run! OMG WE SUX0R. CLOSE GATE. Job done.

Next it would be more like this:

Hey, look Shivans. Let's not be idiots and leave the portal open.

 

[Polpolion]

GTVA needs Homeworld ship building tech   

Colossus scale ships aren't that hard to do... their just heavy cruisers 

That would be crazy. Imagine, a fleet of seven colossus in twenty minutes. Man, kudos to all the mothers from HW. Must be breeding like crazy... not even fun when you do that much of it so fast... Or would it be?

[Scooby_Doo]

GTVA needs Homeworld ship building tech   

Colossus scale ships aren't that hard to do... their just heavy cruisers 

That would be crazy. Imagine, a fleet of seven colossus in twenty minutes. Man, kudos to all the mothers from HW. Must be breeding like crazy... not even fun when you do that much of it so fast... Or would it be?

From the sounds of it, its mostly automated....

OK I'm bored or nerdy LOL.

It takes the mothership to build a heavy cruiser (colossus) in 7 minutes [this is assuming the heavy cruiser is a mere 6km long and not 12km] 2.8 minutes for a destroyer [assuming it's 2km, could be 3km?], 1 minute for a frigate (let's assume these are the size of FS2 corvettes for sake of argument),  18 seconds for a fighter, 20 for bomber.

So 7 colossus in 49 minutes (under an hour) along with 17 orion and 49 corvette escorts and about 226 fighters (this is assuming a newly built orion doesn't start producing fighters itself, with an excel spreadsheet, as soon as a cap ship (non-corvette/frigate) comes online it starts producing fighters, it'll have 2,029 fighter as soon as the 7th colossus comes online)

But just imagine once they got into the nebula... look at all those resources 

Build a capship production facilities there, resource like mad, start spitting out orion scale ships by the dozens, that should handle the first sathanas

Have the facility keep building more ships and start creating more facilities

it shouldn't take long to produce 80+ colossus (one facility could do it in 9 hours, along with 200 orions, 560 frigates, and a ungodly 261, 628 fighters)

Lets assume it's a day between the first contact of the santhans and the appearance of the 80 santhans.
In one day there'll be 205 colussus, 513 orions, 1439 frigates and *gulp* 1,726,356 fighters 

if they eventually build 4 building faculties, by the time those 80 santhanas jump in, their going to be overwhelm theres not going to be enough room for the shivans even   

Edit: ok overwhelmed isn't even the word.... pure OWNAGE.

[Snail]

That's actually how I imagined the Shivans themselves build their ships.

[Scooby_Doo]

add Homeworld's R&D tech to the bunch... even without Alpha 1, the shivans might as well evaculate the galaxy, anything they throw at them will be quickly countered with.  Big massive cap ships would have a hell of a time with super acyolates not to mention they might even throw their own super giants against it.

or form an aliance with the GTVA, that would definetley help against the Nightmares (or whatever the shivans might be fighting)

[Roanoke]

how many salvage corvettes would it take to hijack a Sathanas fleet ? 

[Snail]

We don't know if the Shivans are fighting against another species. Besides, the GTVA having that sort of building tech is completely out of the question, I think the Shivans already have that tech. We don't know if the Sathanas fleet was their entire arsenal. You know what I'm getting at (*cough* Gargant Fleet *cough*) .

[Centrixo]

in the ordinary hw it took 5 to tow away supercap ship and a carrier, so about 7 salvettes if you can attached them w/o being shot down(a little luck).

[Snail]

FreeSpace 2's damage values are actually pretty messed up IMO. The TerSlash, which is almost as big as the Aeolus itself, cannot destroy it.

[ShivanSpS]

GTVA needs Homeworld ship building tech   

Colossus scale ships aren't that hard to do... their just heavy cruisers 

That would be crazy. Imagine, a fleet of seven colossus in twenty minutes. Man, kudos to all the mothers from HW. Must be breeding like crazy... not even fun when you do that much of it so fast... Or would it be?

From the sounds of it, its mostly automated....

OK I'm bored or nerdy LOL.

It takes the mothership to build a heavy cruiser (colossus) in 7 minutes [this is assuming the heavy cruiser is a mere 6km long and not 12km] 2.8 minutes for a destroyer [assuming it's 2km, could be 3km?], 1 minute for a frigate (let's assume these are the size of FS2 corvettes for sake of argument),  18 seconds for a fighter, 20 for bomber.

So 7 colossus in 49 minutes (under an hour) along with 17 orion and 49 corvette escorts and about 226 fighters (this is assuming a newly built orion doesn't start producing fighters itself, with an excel spreadsheet, as soon as a cap ship (non-corvette/frigate) comes online it starts producing fighters, it'll have 2,029 fighter as soon as the 7th colossus comes online)

But just imagine once they got into the nebula... look at all those resources 

Build a capship production facilities there, resource like mad, start spitting out orion scale ships by the dozens, that should handle the first sathanas

Have the facility keep building more ships and start creating more facilities

it shouldn't take long to produce 80+ colossus (one facility could do it in 9 hours, along with 200 orions, 560 frigates, and a ungodly 261, 628 fighters)

Lets assume it's a day between the first contact of the santhans and the appearance of the 80 santhans.
In one day there'll be 205 colussus, 513 orions, 1439 frigates and *gulp* 1,726,356 fighters 

if they eventually build 4 building faculties, by the time those 80 santhanas jump in, their going to be overwhelm theres not going to be enough room for the shivans even   

Edit: ok overwhelmed isn't even the word.... pure OWNAGE.

yeah but... their going to use the credits cheat? because i didt think that will be enoght asteroids in the galaxy to build that hahaha.

[Centrixo]

take into account that in time can change so the shivans might still own, dont be so sure and even if the collossus armada pushed back the sj's, no doubt the shivans will have a new weapon impervious to any collossus attack and probably some sort of uber beam.

[Scooby_Doo]

We don't know if the Shivans are fighting against another species. Besides, the GTVA having that sort of building tech is completely out of the question, I think the Shivans already have that tech. We don't know if the Sathanas fleet was their entire arsenal. You know what I'm getting at (*cough* Gargant Fleet *cough*) .

The problem with homeworlds R&D is they can learn about new tech way too quickly.  One research person is probably smarter than all of the GTVA scientists 

"The enemy is using super juggernaught capital ships, research says they can develop a hull structure for super juggernaught, we recommend research immediately"
"Research complete... super juggernaught hull structure complete"

"Research indicates it can now develop a super juggernaught capital ships, we recommend research immediately"
"Research complete... super juggernaught shisp are now available for buliding"

"Commension super juggernaught construction"
[10 minutes latter]
Super juggernaught complete

 

yeah but... their going to use the credits cheat? because i didt think that will be enoght asteroids in the galaxy to build that hahaha.

Do we have any idea how much resources are there in a supernova?  Also mine entire planets 

take into account that in time can change so the shivans might still own, dont be so sure and even if the collossus armada pushed back the sj's, no doubt the shivans will have a new weapon impervious to any collossus attack and probably some sort of uber beam.

Also don't forget even if we loss some of the collossus, new ones will be coming online quickly to take its place, and that uber beam will quickly be replicated and quite possibly upgraded by R&D and if they can fit that uber beam to a smalller ship like a specialized orion 
Their like the borg only on scale much worse, they actually learn and upgrade 

[Snail]

"Shivans are using a Super-Dooper-Mega-Whooper-Big-Mac Hive ship, R&D says we can make a SDMWBMH structure."
"Sir, we've run out of asteroids."

"WTF?"