[Martinus]

 

Originally posted by KillMeNow:
oppppppps sorry i didn't know we got stargate before you lot in the states - its got to be a first that we are seeing it first - sorry wont do it again promice

We don't see it before them.

Even though you thought they had aired it in the U.S. before europe it still doesn't mean everyone in America has seen it.

[Setekh]

 

Originally posted by IceFire:
Well there goes the surprise for me.

I didn't think he'd go out this way tho.  They said he'd be showing up a few times.  So however they killed him, its not 100% permanent.  I figured he just retired.

Ditto.

I thought he'd be removed from the series soon, but he died? Didn't he become an Ascended dude? That would allow him to come and visit in S6.

[an0n]

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Speaking of finales, did anyone see Farscape? That was one ******  up way to end the series but it's by far the best I've ever seen.

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[Black Sheep]

Attach spoiler warning next time...things are not that progressed here in germany!

....oh...and Farscape is crap....

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[KillMeNow]

sg1 has to save thor - the asguard cant die =( osiris will pay dearly for hurting him anubis too - the asguard jsut need to give us a mother ship or too and we will deal with the goauld

[an0n]

You're doing that on purpose now aren't you? C'mon, admit it......admit it!

[an0n]

 

The Empire Lives
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Hahahahaha. Very funny.  

[ZylonBane]

 

Originally posted by Maeglamor:
We don't see it before them.

Yes, you do (in some cases).

In the U.S. Stargate SG-1 runs first on Showtime (premium cable), then a season later in broadcast syndication. So from my point of reference Daniel Jackson is still alive, and Haru-Er (however you spell it) just got killed by Apophis.

And KillMeNow-- if you were really sorry (or had a clue), you'd edit your first post to include a spoiler warning and massive spoiler space.

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[mikhael]

 

Originally posted by Black Sheep:
...oh...and Farscape is crap....   ...

Farscape is the only scifi series on television worth watching right now. Enterprise isn't very interprising, Bab5 fifth year is done, the Crusade is dead, Earth's Final Conflict is evidently not terribly final, or even very conflicted, and Andromeda just fired the only writer who cares about having, you know, a story.

That leaves us, pretty much, with Stargate (memorable only for the full frontal nudity in the first episode and the incredibly bad writing that followed it) and Farscape (a series where the writers care about the story, the actors care about their characters and fight the writers when they screw up, fun villains, vile villains and even fun, vile villains). I'll take Farscape over any of the other crap out there right now.

Besides, Farscape had the best babes: Zhaan, Chiana, and Aeryn. Jool needs to be introduced to the inkyblack with extreme prejudice, tho.
Then there's John and D'argo: the best written male duo ever in space shows.
The writing always includes some humor to temper the drama. They always include a bit of the epic, balanced with the personal. You can't beat that sort of writing.

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[Ryx]

I have to admit i'm hooked on Enterprise. I'm getting into Farscape right now.
 

[ZylonBane]

 

Originally posted by mikhael:
Stargate (memorable only for the full frontal nudity in the first episode and the incredibly bad writing that followed it)

I couldn't disagree with you more. Stargate has some of the best writing of any show I've ever seen, sci-fi or otherwise. Its science is better and more consistently realized than B5 ever managed, and its character interaction so believable it almost feels ad-libbed at times.

Your judging it by some passing nudity, and Farscape by its babe factor, is very telling of what you look for in a show. Cartoony, loud space opera.

Granted, I like them both.  

And Enterprise sucks. Vulcans are supposed to look calm and detached, not constipated.

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[aldo_14]

I like Sg1, simply cos it doesn't feel like sci-fi.  Admittedly I only watch it on-and-off, but there's none of the rediculous cod moralising in sci-fi like Star Trek (especially), and no stupid jargon like trilitium dimeniosnal matrix, or some other crap made up to explain plot holes.  Plus, 90% of the nice tech they use is stolen from someone, and most of the time they have ******  all clue how it works.  Which, as a computer scientist(to be), appeals to me  

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[mikhael]

 

Originally posted by ZylonBane:

Your judging it by some passing nudity, and Farscape by its babe factor, is very telling of what you look for in a show. Cartoony, loud space opera.

You're putting words in my mouth. I don't judge Stargate by the full frontal nudity in the first episode. I said it was the most memorable thing about the series. Neither do I judge Farscape by its babe factor. The babe factor is ancillary, the writing is all.

You want my actual judgement of Stargate? A poorly realized licensed property from a poorly realized movie treatment of one of the less well known works of a good author. Not only was the writing stilted and stiff in all the episodes I caught in the first and second seasons, the special effects were bad and the psuedo science worse. The show couldn't, in my eyes, be saved by the inclusion of the MacGuyver guy. It was a premise with promise ruined by the team of monkeys who were give charge of it.
You are right about one thing though: I want space opera.

I want a consistent overarching story. The story must have tragedy and triumph, love and hate, comedy and drama. At some point, the viewer must be genuinely afraid that our hero just might not make it through this scrape.
I want fully realized characters whose motivations go beyond a 'role'. There must be character development. The motivations of the characters must change with the ongoing plot. There must personal interactions between the characters that have meaning outside the episode in which they took place.
After all that, I want special effects and sound and psuedoscience that adds up to an internally consistent setting. Its science fiction, not a guided tour of a barely disguised southern california hilly desert (bonus points if you know THAT reference). We're going to alien worlds with alien people and alien things.

Yeah, its quite the laundry list, and so far, Babylon5 and Farscape have been the only two series so far to deliver all of it.

All of that aside, I agree with Aldo completely. SG1 does dodge the StarTrek technobabble syndrome. This is a distinct mark in its favor. *heh*

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[KillMeNow]

stargate sg1 is the best sci fi on tv at the moment easily it is consistant the characters are always consistant with what we have come to expect and story is compelling - we are fighting against an overwheliming enemy force and are winning but ocassioanly get in far to deep and only through pure chance save the entire planet

as for my comments about thors etc i not spoiling  as thats not on until wednesday and i promice not to utter a word about it unless clearly marked in the topic that its best only for those that want to know the future of the show or have already watched it on sky 1

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[Martinus]

 

Originally posted by Black Sheep:
....oh...and Farscape is crap....  

You think so?

I think it's one of the best TV shows I've ever seen... Oh well there's no accounting for taste I suppose.

[KillMeNow]

jsut want to answer afew things - the reason most planets look similar to earth is because they are the gate network is connecting planets where human life is possible esentially the reason why all races look human is because mostly they are - distrouted aroudn teh galaxy byt he goauld

the effects in my opinion are great - the gate horisozon effect is really quite good i been trying to dupilcate it in lightwave for sometime now and still haven't achieved anything near as good as for the staff weapons blasts - they look pretty convincing to me and the explsions where tehy hit are allwyas perfectly located

b5 was good no denying it but it had all the consistancy of a jellyfish left rotting in the sun for days then run over by a car

star trek similar

farscape is just too weird for me to like and they truely do have some dodgy effects as for the villians than scorpio or what ever his name at is totally unconviniving - reminds me of somethign from lexx or worse

nope not nearly as good as any of the star treks b5 or stargate

[Martinus]

 

Originally posted by KillMeNow:
stargate sg1 is the best sci fi on tv at the moment easily it is consistant the characters are always consistant with what we have come to expect and story is compelling - we are fighting against an overwheliming enemy force and are winning but ocassioanly get in far to deep and only through pure chance save the entire planet

as for my comments about thors etc i not spoiling  as thats not on until wednesday and i promice not to utter a word about it unless clearly marked in the topic that its best only for those that want to know the future of the show or have already watched it on sky 1

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Good boy   You get your original title back now.

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by mikhael:
 I want a consistent overarching story. The story must have tragedy and triumph, love and hate, comedy and drama. At some point, the viewer must be genuinely afraid that our hero just might not make it through this scrape.
I want fully realized characters whose motivations go beyond a 'role'. There must be character development. The motivations of the characters must change with the ongoing plot. There must personal interactions between the characters that have meaning outside the episode in which they took place.
After all that, I want special effects and sound and psuedoscience that adds up to an internally consistent setting.

you want money too, I suppose?  

[Setekh]

 

Originally posted by aldo_14:
I like Sg1, simply cos it doesn't feel like sci-fi.  Admittedly I only watch it on-and-off, but there's none of the rediculous cod moralising in sci-fi like Star Trek (especially), and no stupid jargon like trilitium dimeniosnal matrix, or some other crap made up to explain plot holes.  Plus, 90% of the nice tech they use is stolen from someone, and most of the time they have ******  all clue how it works.  Which, as a computer scientist(to be), appeals to me    

Hah! Very well said. I totally agree. SG-1 manages to pull of its sci-fi very convincingly - I like the universe it's been put in.  

[CobaltStarr]

Okay... my 2 bits? I like them all but for different reasons...

SG1 - The characters, first and foremost, are your basic, modern day run of the mill soldiers who are constantly thrown into some very weird and sometimes extreme situations. The story is your basic save the earth from the impending aliens invasion type, but they pull it off in a way that makes it seem like it's really happening. Technobabble? Not here... They may start into what seems like technobabble, but they always end up with a simple, easy to understand explanation. Most memorable ep? The time loop episode... First time I saw that ep I was squirming on my bed with peals of laughter... O'Neal teaching Daniel how to read an ancient language?    

B5 - The Story is this show's best feature, and with a 5 year continuous story arc that throws loop after loop at you, it shows. The characters are well done but some could be a little better done, not that I know how tho'. Technobabble, pops up from time to time but is never a major feature. Memorable ep? Too many to find a single one... Although, the ep where Sheridan tricks the League of Non-Aligned Worlds into letting the Rangers patrol their space pops up...

Farscape - Everything... Even though I've never seen the first ep (*begins ranting up and down the hall*), most of the charas are totally believeable and those that aren't are still somewhat believeable, and the story is well written and is also believeable (aside from the ones that aren't supposed to be). Technobabble is kept to a minimum and only used where it's needed to make the story interesting... Memorable ep? The failed starburst ep where moya ended up being split into 4 different realities...

Enterprise - Good episodic story and charas that could use some work (but we're only in the first season of this, so I'll let that slide), but technobabble runs the show more often than not, and when it does they tend to make it believeable mor often than not. Memorable ep? Two... 1) the chrononaut ep (cool CG imagery   ) 2) the ep where a human freighter has been attacked by aliens but the freighter crew manages to capture one of them (real good story, plus I like it when you get a glimpse at the mundane stuff)...

So there you go... My 2 bits, whether you wanted 'em or not...