[Stormkeeper]

FS1 Behaivour = Nuke the homeworlds
FS2 Behaivour = Destroy the fleets, clear the Capella star and nuke the Capella star

Would that be a fair judge of their behaivours? Cause I don't recall any heavy Shivan incursions into GTVA space besides pushing them out of the Capella system.

[AlphaOne]

Well in FS1 the shivans were more interested in taking out the planets and fleets! Virtualy crypeling the GTA/PVN for at least 50 years.

In FS2 they were more interested in guarding the nebula and getting the GTVA out of they way as they moved towards capella!

It is quite a change. If the GTVA would not have put fleets in theyr way who knows maybe they wouldnt of bothered with the fleets at all just nuke capella!

[Vasudan Commander]

Here's something else i dont get. How were the shivans able to bend the arms of the Sathanas' ? Were they made of some flexible super-tough metal or were they bent to converge into that spot?

I'm lost for an answer 

[Snail]

Maybe there are teenie little 'grooves' on the arms?

[haloboy100]

it's cause they are shivans. Shivans can do anything!

[Snail]

Maybe the metal can change in density or something crack like that.

[Stormkeeper]

Their ships could be organic.

[haloboy100]

actually i think i remember reading somewhere that some shivan alloys were somewhat organic

[Stormkeeper]

actually i think i remember reading somewhere that some shivan alloys were somewhat organic

I DEMAND YOUR SAUCE NOW

[haloboy100]

actually, it could of been in the tech room for all i know. Hell, it might of even been from derelict.

[Stormkeeper]

...Derelict. The Nyralothep healing itself, plus its self defense mechanism. Not to mention derelict explicitly mentions that Shivan ships are organic.

[nubbles526]

Shivans are stupid. Why didn't they send a Sathy to blow up earth? No one could fight the Sathy at that time. It think it would take the entire GTVA just to blow this up. Then the Shivans would sned another one. Same story. Gradually, there would be no fleet to defend the home systems, so shivans just go in and boom. If we had 80+ juggernauts, we would do the same to them. Silly Shivans.

[Stormkeeper]

The Shivans second incursion's objective may not have been to wipe out the Earth, could just have been to use the Capella star to bridge the gap between two galaxies.

[nubbles526]

The Shivans second incursion's objective may not have been to wipe out the Earth, could just have been to use the Capella star to bridge the gap between two galaxies.

I mean when in FS1....they could have thought smarter.

[Stormkeeper]

Well, the Sathani may not be built for combat. They may be massive transports for LR subspace travel. Plus, the Shivans probably thought the Lucy would be enough.

[Snail]

Shivans are stupid. Why didn't they send a Sathy to blow up earth? No one could fight the Sathy at that time. It think it would take the entire GTVA just to blow this up. Then the Shivans would sned another one. Same story. Gradually, there would be no fleet to defend the home systems, so shivans just go in and boom. If we had 80+ juggernauts, we would do the same to them. Silly Shivans.

It's obvious: they weren't available.

[haloboy100]

How do you know that?

[Snail]

Well that's how I see it anyway.

[Hades]

It is because the Lucifer fleet was the scouting party.In FS2 they may have been using the Capella Star as a Subspace Node to another Galaxy.They may have also did this to go destroy another race.Or to get to the [Spooky music/]Ancients[Spooky music/].

[Snail]

I have a theory that explains all your questions.

First things first, the Shivans are a hivemind (stereotypical excuse for Shivan single mindedness).

My theory involves a 'cataclysm' which separated the Shivan fleets a long time ago (probably the destruction of several Jump Nodes simultaneously). After the cataclysm, the Shivans decided to nuke all other species because they did not want another cataclysm or something. Fortunately, the Shivans had 'backup hives' which come into motion when a fleet (or fleets) get separated from DaBrain.

The Shivans that came from Ross 128 and attacked the Terrans and Vasudans in FS1 were from a different fleet from the one in FS2. They were probably an expeditionary force which got lost after the disaster that separated the Shivans. Their fleet was very small so they decided that they had to create a sub-hive on board the Lucifer. This is why they needed to shield it and protect it so much. It is to be noted that they are ultimately the exact same Shivans as the Shivans in FS2, they were just separated for a long time.

The Sathanes in FS2 were part of a larger fleet, perhaps one of the biggest Shivan fleets separated from the main one. Because the FS2 Shivans had such a large fleet already, they did not need to shield their capital ships like the Lucifer. The Comm Nodes in the second SOC loop were being used to try to communicate other Shivan fleets far away so the FS2 Shivans could join back up with them. The supernova of Capella was used as the gravitational field for the use of a super-jump node so that the FS2 Shivans could join up with some other Shivan fleet (alternatively it could be used as a beacon so the other Shivan fleets could find it, but it seems a stretch that the Shivans would blow up a star just for a signal).

This does not rule out another species the Shivans are at war with, perhaps those who caused the 'cataclysm' in the first place by using a type of super weapon to weaken the Shivans into individual fleets. Alternatively, and more likely, there could have been a 'spacequake', which is a sort of a freak subspace anomalie that kills nodes or something.