[TrashMan]

The supernova is the most powerfull explosion in the universe

From what I understand whatever causes gamma-ray bursts are bigger. AFAIK the leading theory is a hypernova (don't you just love inflation in astronomical terms. I'm waiting for a meganova).

Well, gamma-brusts aren't technicly expolosions, now are they? And while they kill(life), they don't destroy(objects)..

[Stormkeeper]

The supernova is the most powerfull explosion in the universe - the ammount of energy released by it is mindbloglingly huge.  It VAPORIZES whole planets and spreds onwards.
In fact, IIRC scientist recently dicovered a even bigger supernova.

And there is no such thing as invulnerabiltiy...it's only the matter of not enough applied force

There's power overwhelming!

Okay, so maybe the Sathani got vaporized. No wreckage, but there's probably a nebula in there now, thats a fact...

[S-99]

And most likely a nebula that's now filled with shivans like the nebula beyond gamma draconis. If i know one thing, the shivans already got enough unlimited fuel supplies. Two of them, two nebulas of perfect hydrogen to power ships.

I'm surprised in the fs2 campaign you never got to escort convoys of gas miners into the nebula. From my understanding it'd be a lot easier to mine gas from a nebula than from a gas giant. And as long as it's easy to procure i could see the gtva hopping all over all you can eat gas buffet.

From what we already know this was already happening. After the gtva went into the nebula, several missions after you finally have the prometheus s offered to you and a description of why because of gas mining vessels collecting nebular gas.

[Flipside]

Isn't the mission where you rendevouz with the Colossus with 2 Gas Miners in the Nebula?

Though, in all honesty, Gas Mining from a Nebula in reality would be a pretty pointless task, the gas density in a nebula is incredibly low iirc.

[Stormkeeper]

And most likely a nebula that's now filled with shivans like the nebula beyond gamma draconis. If i know one thing, the shivans already got enough unlimited fuel supplies. Two of them, two nebulas of perfect hydrogen to power ships.

I'm surprised in the fs2 campaign you never got to escort convoys of gas miners into the nebula. From my understanding it'd be a lot easier to mine gas from a nebula than from a gas giant. And as long as it's easy to procure i could see the gtva hopping all over all you can eat gas buffet.

From what we already know this was already happening. After the gtva went into the nebula, several missions after you finally have the prometheus s offered to you and a description of why because of gas mining vessels collecting nebular gas.

Yea, but remember that in the briefing the said the gas miners were [Cordova voice] collect gas from gas giants [/Cordova voice], not from the nebula, although it would take little effort to modify it to collect nebular gas.

[Polpolion]

Isn't the mission where you rendevouz with the Colossus with 2 Gas Miners in the Nebula?

Though, in all honesty, Gas Mining from a Nebula in reality would be a pretty pointless task, the gas density in a nebula is incredibly low iirc.

That would probably depend on how long it's been since the supernova. Remember, a new star would start forming where the old one was after a long time, and the gas would probably be somewhat sucked in and be smooshed in at a higher density.

I think, at least. I kinda, don't really have any facts to back that up or anything. Just a speculation.

[Flipside]

I think the problem is that the particles are moving at such incredible velocity that the nebula would be too hot to mine at that stage, though, I suspect that the best stage to consider nebula mining would be at some point between creation and the first star-births.

Actually, I was looking at the Orion nebula earlier, which has a lot of stars forming in it, that must have been a sodding enormous supernova....

[Vasudan Commander]

Our sun is too small to go supernova.

Besides the biggest explosion in the universe would be 'the big bang'.  Ofcourse that happened billions of years ago, so the most current would be black holes. (they are reoccuring explosions)

[Dark Hunter]

Capella (in FS, not the real Capella), was also far too small to go supernova. It was a yellow star like our sun.

[Flipside]

The one to watch at the moment is Rigel, when that goes, it's going to be a pretty spectacular display

[S-99]

Depending on the size of any star. You could probably get any star to go nova through un-natural means. Like what the sathani did. Stars have a balance of repelling forces. Stars expand as much as they like to contract, and it's good balance. If you can disrupt the contracting force on a star, well then you'd have one big ass plasma based flame thrower. It'd be devastating, but not a nova, it'd just be a rapid expulsion and spreading out of the stars materials. Of course such a thing happens naturally as well. It is called star matter ejection. It's quite simple, the star going through it life cycle ejects some of its mass because it's getting old.

Here's an artists interpretation which shows off exactly what happens, but seems to downplay mass ejection from stars.


Mass ejection from stars can be small or massively big enough to fry everything in a solar system. And some stars don't survive massive ejections of matter.

I mean if you want one good way of frying a solar system. I'd go for disrupting the stars contraction, and when that's gone the star will just continually expand until the star is either a new nebula, or until the star lost enough mass to regain the contracting/expanding balance at the price of the star being smaller than it once was. One way of making a star have mass ejection, is to plain and simple start removing mass from a star. And this is a great way to break that contracting/expanding balance. How that will be accomplished is usually in binary star systems, where one star will continually pull mass from the other star. Idk how terrans and vasudans in fs will accomplish this, unless they find a way to keep an in-system subspace corridor open inside of a star or very close to it.

I mean it's not quite a core collapse for a nova, but you will still flash fry a system if you break the balancing act stars do all the time and trigger one massive star matter ejection.

This doesn't appear to be the way that the sathani did it, Apparently shivans have a way of making stars that can't go nova, be able to go nova. And this is supported by the fact that the shivans the capella star going nova was not a natural event, it was shivan induced by technology, and when you have something unnatural happen you'll end up with something unnatural. That's the only way i could see how shivans could make a star that normally won't go nova on it's own go nova not on it's own.

[Stormkeeper]

So. Anyone wanna do a mission where rigel blows up ? =p

[TrashMan]

How the hell would you "disrupt" that balance on a sun?

The whole human nuclear arsenal combined is insignificant comapred to one solar flare.

Hell you could hurl Earth itself into the Sun and that still wouldn't make it go nova...

We're talking energy levels and forces so mindblogingly huge that you can't practicly comprehend them....

[jr2]

Sathanas subspace -? weapon.

[Snail]

I think the Subspace weapon sort of warped the inside of the sun, making it collapse on itself, and then allowed them to jump using the gravitational stress.

[TrashMan]

Sathanas subspace -? weapon.

...defies physics... fine fro ma game point of view, but I was hoping for some more practical (read: doable) idea... or we might as well bring in a Deus Ex Machina and say the Sun would go Nova just becoue God feels like it..

[Snail]

I think the Subspace weapon sort of warped the inside of the sun, making it collapse on itself, and then allowed them to jump using the gravitational stress.

[Bob-san]

OK now--time for me to come back and argue my point back to you...

Starting with one thing I've tried to make clear in my points--we have never jumped through a subspace node and seen a Knossos for the first time on the far side of the jump. That being said, we have only traversed both directions after the discovery.

We always did it sort of like this (excuse the crappy diagram):

<<WHERE WE START>>  ||knossos|| =================subspace================ ||exit||  <<WHERE WE FINISH>>

We discover a Knossos, jump though it from the Knossos side of the node, and jump out into space WITHOUT a Knossos. After the discovery, we can jump back from the side WITHOUT a Knossos to the side WITH a Knossos.

Next point... Knossos devices are ALL the same from the outside--it appears to me that they were mass-produced (there are 3+ Knossos devices, meaning that there are 12+ of each of the two unique parts). That being said, they would likely have to be ferried into position and calibrated to work as either stabilizer or destabilizer. If, in the condition, that they were stabilizers, how would the Ancients have known where to point the Knossos devices? Wouldn't they rather "practice" on a known node? If they can figure out how to calibrate the Knossos devices properly, there would no longer be anything stopping them from ever again expanding--they have the artificial means to leave galaxies.

Next point... either way the Knossos devices work, while "deactivated", the subspace node is undetectable. If everything in FS1, FS1:ST, and FS2 are correct, then a survey craft would jump though a new node and survey the stars, planets, moons, and all other physical features of a new system. At the same time or at a later time (I'm thinking at the same time), they would examine the subspace structure of a system and find other jump nodes. As the official node map states, Gamma Draconis was a dead and dead-end system--they found no subspace node and they didn't "catch" the Knossos device. When deactivated, it seems that the node ....


*NOTE* I lost my train of thought in 2 days. Anyways--I'm leaving on Sunday (last day around might be Saturday, though more likely today) for a 10-day event in Houston. Sorry I can't keep arguing my point--I'll try to get online for a few in Houston.

[karajorma]

Ummm. What proof do you have that the Erikson was even looking for nodes in Gamma Draconis?

I'll point out that Altair was uncharted in FS1 even though the node between it and Aldebarran has likely been there for over 8000 years. I'll point out that the systems beyond Laramis were also uncharted.

I doubt that finding nodes is anywhere near as easy as you claim.

[Snail]

I am the antichrist

What have you proven with that post?