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Offline Stormkeeper

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Re: Other sentient races beyond GTVA space!
I believe the thread has been hijacked to: Origins of Shivans and their ships.

Hmm, I just came up with a radical idea of what the Shivans really are. Maybe the Shivan ships are actually another species and that the Shivans we see inside of them are another species and together, the two species share a symbiotic relationship.

Really radical. But not unthinkable ... although I'd seriously doubt it, seeing as how they have quite a fair number of different bombers and fighters.
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I'd like to think of it more as like the fighters are like extensions of the shivans' bodies, meaning they are connected to their fighters. According to the tech room the shivans are very cybernetically enhanced, and i can't picture a shivan manipulating controls with such bulbous hands.
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Most likely a neural interface connection, so the fighter moves in tune with their thoughts as well as with controls. And the controls would probably be radically different from your regular run of the mill joysticks.
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yeah :nod:
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So the reason Shivans kick GTVA ass is cause they literaly use their minds to fight. Awesum.
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and because command has no mind to begin with.
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Point.

Any other races you'd think the GTVA might meet? Hows bout teh ancients? mebbe they weren't totally destroyed, mebbe there are still survivors out there.
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Personally, I think the Ancients are well and truly dead, every last one of 'em.

Some people have stated that they might have run away, only a tiny fraction of their old population... but if that was the case, wouldn't they have risen to power again in the intervening 8,000 years? I find it hard to believe that such an advanced race would be kept down to refugee status for that long.
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I'm just going to point out that you need a fair number of survivors all in one place to have a viable gene pool for the continuation of a species.  I'm not averse to the notion of a few getting away from the shivans' wrath, but the surviving ancients, and their freakishly inbred spawn have had a few millenia to die off.  Frankly, the universe and the game series are probably better off for it, as you probably don't want to hear a round of ancients monologues that culminate in the vile, defective, final offspring of the race choking to death on its own spittle because it lacks the mental faculties to swallow.

Let dead races lie.

 

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Re: Other sentient races beyond GTVA space!
I'm just going to point out that you need a fair number of survivors all in one place to have a viable gene pool for the continuation of a species.  I'm not averse to the notion of a few getting away from the shivans' wrath, but the surviving ancients, and their freakishly inbred spawn have had a few millenia to die off.  Frankly, the universe and the game series are probably better off for it, as you probably don't want to hear a round of ancients monologues that culminate in the vile, defective, final offspring of the race choking to death on its own spittle because it lacks the mental faculties to swallow.

Let dead races lie.

Yeah, I think the minimum number of people needed to repopulate a species is somewhere in the tens of thousands...
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Re: Other sentient races beyond GTVA space!
Shivans do not use their minds to control fighters since GTVA has taken posesion of a few of them and adapted them for terran usage. That would be rather hard to do if it required your breain to be conected to its controls.


Also from the FS bible i believe it is said that the shivans seemd to be fused with their insectoid like shell and that they are a combination of flesh and tech. So no simbiotic relationship here as far as i can see.

Also It is very posible that more then a few thousands ancients escaped the shivans wrath. Perhaps something in the milions but scattered across god knows how many sistems it would very dificult for them to for a coherant society again. Also if they did that they would probably take care as not to atract any unwanted atention.

Also the ancients might of left the seeds for other new civ. to folow them. Which would thrive and advance.
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Re: Other sentient races beyond GTVA space!
I'm just going to point out that you need a fair number of survivors all in one place to have a viable gene pool for the continuation of a species.  I'm not averse to the notion of a few getting away from the shivans' wrath, but the surviving ancients, and their freakishly inbred spawn have had a few millenia to die off.  Frankly, the universe and the game series are probably better off for it, as you probably don't want to hear a round of ancients monologues that culminate in the vile, defective, final offspring of the race choking to death on its own spittle because it lacks the mental faculties to swallow.

Let dead races lie.

That much is true, but we are talking about a race that was capable of conquering more systems than the GTVA have discovered. 10,000 people is only a couple of Destroyers' worth, after all, you could probably fit that onto a single transport in evac conditions.

Considering you could fit around 3 Billion people onto the surface of the Isle of Wight, it's not really that vast a number to be beyond possibility. As for rising again, not neccesarily, take a look at the Native Americans, they changed from voracious hunter-gatherers into a society with incredibly deep respect for the environment, that change in mindset was bought about by an ecological disaster, which was itself bought about by a new kind of spearhead. Traumatic events can change a society at a level in that respect, and simply because the Ancients may have survived biologically, there's no reason they had to survive technologically. This is, of course, assuming that the Ancients required a gene pool similar to humans, some Earth animals can rebuild as a perfectly strong species on far less.

Now, I'll admit, the chances are high that the Ancients are extinct, but even if they did survive, there's a distict possiblity even they wouldn't know they were the ancients.

 

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They most certainly wouldn't know who they are. Even if they documented the stuff of who they are. Thousands of years later it would be considered legend/myth. Though if the ancients actually make their way back to their old stomping grounds they'd find enough pieces of the puzzle to find out myth was reality and that they are the ancients.
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They probably have a legend about their ancestors who grew too proud and were 'struck down from above, that they may be punished for their trangressions.'
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Re: Other sentient races beyond GTVA space!
They most certainly wouldn't know who they are. Even if they documented the stuff of who they are. Thousands of years later it would be considered legend/myth. Though if the ancients actually make their way back to their old stomping grounds they'd find enough pieces of the puzzle to find out myth was reality and that they are the ancients.

Why would you think that? Documented history is documented history - aka proof -  not myths!
Or do you think a 1000 years from now people won't belive the recordings of WW2 or 9/11 and consider them myths?


And back on the blockade topic - Considering the huge ammount of ships or all kinds that could blockade a single node, not even several ships jumping in at once (let's say..5 Ravanas) could stand a chance..they would be dead before coming to a stop.

Immagine 5 of each types of destroyers - 5 Orions (35 beam total), 5 Hecates (25 beam total), 5 Hatshepsut (20 beam total), Typhon (10 beam total) - that's 90 beams just there...not counting corvettes, cruisers or RBC's
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Why would you think that? Documented history is documented history - aka proof -  not myths!
Or do you think a 1000 years from now people won't belive the recordings of WW2 or 9/11 and consider them myths?

True, and they might of had time capsules like we do.

And back on the blockade topic - Considering the huge ammount of ships or all kinds that could blockade a single node, not even several ships jumping in at once (let's say..5 Ravanas) could stand a chance..they would be dead before coming to a stop.

Immagine 5 of each types of destroyers - 5 Orions (35 beam total), 5 Hecates (25 beam total), 5 Hatshepsut (20 beam total), Typhon (10 beam total) - that's 90 beams just there...not counting corvettes, cruisers or RBC's

What makes you think the ancients had beams?
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Re: Other sentient races beyond GTVA space!
What makes you think the ancients had beams?

They didn't, :v: has confirmed that the Ancients were only slightly more technologically advanced than the T/Vs in FS1.

 
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exactly
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What makes you think the ancients had beams?

I'm not refering to the Ancients..I'm refering to the GTVA..

The more I think about it the harder I find it to make any plausable campaign with a shivan invasion, given how a massive node blocade is a effective stallign tactic (stalling for meson warhead to be brought inot position)
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Re: Other sentient races beyond GTVA space!
Most of the GTVA fleet was destroyed at Capella. That many beams would severely damage a Sath, maybe even destroy it, but multiple Saths incoming would easily destroy that blockade.