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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
What do sensors have to do with ship numbers?

And I wasn't refering to "they had more ships than shivans in the nebula", but rather - they had more ship than the 3 destroyers that planned to attack the sath.

All command refers are the three destroyers standing by. If there were other ships, they'd be mentioned.

What ALLIED WARSHIPS were retreating from the nebula if there were none inside? Remeber - SEEVERAL warships failed to raturn to GD on time, which means there were a lot more in there.



Corvettes, cruisers, etc...?

Also, command refers to rallying ships of the fleet in Gamma Draconis, not retreating from the nebula, which could mean ships also coming from Capella, the 3rd Fleet's HQ.
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas

In experiments with Fred in a straight Capital ship to Capital ship duel between a Sathanas and GTVA Destroyers 3 destroyers can defeat a Jugg...    After 4 others absorb its fire till they can flank it.


I still think it's kinda pointless to test engagements like this without including fighters. A GTVA Destroyer is not a battleship, it's an armed fighter carrier, as is a Colossus. I understand it's a lot easier to FRED an engagement between capships without having to throw all kinds of fighter wings into the mix, but if we actually want to talk about realistic comparisons between the ships, that's how it has to be done.

I totally agree you can't get a totally realistic engagement without strikecraft, i was just fooling around with fred and the thread author was looking for a straight stick gun duel.  Then again when has FS ever realistically and effectively deployed a destroyers Air Group?  Granted engine limitations inhibit it but when would they ever commit fighters to a meat grinder 12 at a time?  There is no question swarming the Jugg with strikecraft while your capitals sit out of range is the best option.  If you snuffed all the beams in "bear baiting" an Orion culd have smoked the Jugg in "high noon."  Granted it would take a day and the gunnery crews would need t eat and take naps...
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
At 0745 hours, reconnaissance sighted the Sathanas juggernaut heading for the jump node to Terran-Vasudan space. Because of the immediate risk to our home systems, Command has aborted the plan to attack the juggernaut in the nebula. All allied forces have been ordered to withdraw immediately to Gamma Draconis. Further orders will be issued upon our arrival. We have no conclusive data regarding the transmissions exchanged between the Iceni and the Rephaim.


The Shivan juggernaut Sathanas is now en route to the jump node leading to Terran-Vasudan space. Command ordered all units to rally in Gamma Draconis in three hours' time. Though we have accounted for most of our fleet, at least six warships have failed to reach the rendezvous point. We can wait for them no longer.The GTVA Security Council has authorized the immediate destruction of the Knossos subspace portal.
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
It still fails to explain what forces they compose of. 10 cruisers can be mentioned as 10 warships.
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
It still fails to explain what forces they compose of. 10 cruisers can be mentioned as 10 warships.

Minimum composition would be several corvettes (I know the GVCv Maahes and the GVCv Thutmose were alive, though damaged, not sure if the GTCv Actium and GTCv Warspite were still in the nebula), a few destroyers (GTD Aquitaine, GVD Psamtik, GVD Toeris) and a bunch of cruisers I'd guess.  They did say they were launching co-ordinated strikes throughout the nebular theatre, and I assume there was at least 1 corvette at each engagement [Fenris and Leviathan cruisers would get creamed since they are weak].

The thing is, whoever gets the drop on the other will come out on top.  The ambushers can sortie bomber wings to disable the enemy beam cannons and fighterbays, and busted fighterbays = no backup besides subspace reinforcements.

Colossus wins if it jumps in besides the Sathanas for a few minutes of broadsiding, + bomber wings to handle forward beams and fighterbay.  Sathanas if it gets the jump, just like during 'Their Finest Hour', though the necessity of bombers for it isn't necessary (though normally you can't disable a Colossus, 3 of its engines are invulnerable).

 

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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
It still fails to explain what forces they compose of. 10 cruisers can be mentioned as 10 warships.

True, but since 6 faied to return to GD, that means there weas a lot more than 6 in there to begin with.. I do guess most ships were cruisers and corvettes, but that's nothnig to laugh about. Deimoses and Aeoluses eat enemy fighters/bombers for lunch and if they joined the destroyers it would give the GTVA forces a distinct air superiority.
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Not  to mention that any gtva corvette asisted by a wing or 2 of bommbers and heavy fighters can crush a Ravana!
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
That's a n00bish comment. Ingame, beams simply reduce the hull integrity of their target. They actually slice through the hull and cause terrible damage(and kill plenties of crewmen). Just look at one of the many FS2 logos. An SRed discharged by a Moloch penetrates the hull of a Moloch. A Ravana does the same with an Orion.

Basically, beams are supposed to be far deadlier. And the Shivans have fearsome beams. A single volley coming from a Ravana is supposed to devastate a Deimos. Bear this in mind :)

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Why is is a noobish coment?? defang the ravana with bommbers or heavy fighters then lay waste to it with a deimos or a sobek! SO it is not a noobish coment it is reality! Sort of!
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
Why is is a noobish coment?? defang the ravana with bommbers or heavy fighters then lay waste to it with a deimos or a sobek! SO it is not a noobish coment it is reality! Sort of!

A Ravana with 4 beams intact can tear anything below superdestroyer-class to pieces in one volley.  A corvette dies to 2-3 hits of an LRed, so those pilots need to be superfast with their Stillettos/Trebuchets if they want to save the corvette.  Of course if that corvette attacked from the side where the Ravana can't nail it then the pilots have plenty of time to disarm and take out fighter cover.  It's just that Terran slash beams really suck, better if they refitted with BGreens even if the recharge is way longer.

 

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you actualy have such a mission in the game in the nebula! Remember?? Also i agree with the Bgreens 2 bgreens instead of 4 slashers would be so much more better! And posible!
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A Ravana with 4 beams intact can tear anything below superdestroyer-class to pieces in one volley.  A corvette dies to 2-3 hits of an LRed, so those pilots need to be superfast with their Stillettos/Trebuchets if they want to save the corvette.  Of course if that corvette attacked from the side where the Ravana can't nail it then the pilots have plenty of time to disarm and take out fighter cover.  It's just that Terran slash beams really suck, better if they refitted with BGreens even if the recharge is way longer.

2 beams worth mention actually... that can be destroyed easily by Harpoons....I've yet to meat a ship that's so friggin easy to defang as teh ravana :lol:
The other beams are FAR weaker than the main LReds and jsut as easy to destroy.
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
you actualy have such a mission in the game in the nebula! Remember?? Also i agree with the Bgreens 2 bgreens instead of 4 slashers would be so much more better! And posible!

In FOW I gave them 2 MGreens on the front (something between SGreens and BGreens) insted of that slasher crap. The ship becomes a whole different beast with that.
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
you actualy have such a mission in the game in the nebula! Remember?? Also i agree with the Bgreens 2 bgreens instead of 4 slashers would be so much more better! And posible!

Did you even read the Briefing?

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This is Lieutenant Samsa. The allied attack against the SD Ravana has deteriorated. We've lost the GTD Delacroix, and the surviving warships in the battle group are damaged. Petrarch is scrambling the 107th to assist. Command will also sortie the GVC Somtus and the GTC Yakiba. Once they cross the subspace portal, we will move them into position.
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
you actualy have such a mission in the game in the nebula! Remember?? Also i agree with the Bgreens 2 bgreens instead of 4 slashers would be so much more better! And posible!

Did you even read the Briefing?

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This is Lieutenant Samsa. The allied attack against the SD Ravana has deteriorated. We've lost the GTD Delacroix, and the surviving warships in the battle group are damaged. Petrarch is scrambling the 107th to assist. Command will also sortie the GVC Somtus and the GTC Yakiba. Once they cross the subspace portal, we will move them into position.

Yeah, battling Shivan destroyers with your own fleet without TAG missiles or AWACS technology in nebula conditions = not bright.

If I recall AlphaOne, the GTCv Lysander got whooped when the Ravana jumped in.  Instantly.  Don't attack a Ravana using warships unless you defang it first, or have the necessary support (AWACS, TAGs) to find and exploit weakspots.  I don't never recall Deimos corvettes ever getting slash beams replaced in the canon FS2 campaign either.  It's only in custom campaigns where they get different loadouts (like in my campaign, I gave SOC's GTCv Naxos 2 LReds and 2 BGreens as part of an experimental project).

 

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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
DElacroix was destroyed but it doens't specify exactly how...did he Ravan had any escort warships? Was it an ambush?

It just said that the attack failed, and I assume Comamnd wasn't dumb enough to just go in a frontal assault. A ambush :hopping: I say.
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
DElacroix was destroyed but it doens't specify exactly how...did he Ravan had any escort warships? Was it an ambush?

It just said that the attack failed, and I assume Comamnd wasn't dumb enough to just go in a frontal assault. A ambush :hopping: I say.

They probably tried to ambush but the nebula screwed with sensors and vision so the Ravana was able to change heading and fry the sorry destroyer without taking major damage (that's what I assume happened).

 

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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
DElacroix was destroyed but it doens't specify exactly how...did he Ravan had any escort warships? Was it an ambush?

It just said that the attack failed, and I assume Comamnd wasn't dumb enough to just go in a frontal assault. A ambush :hopping: I say.

Well, it was the mission after they've found the Shivan capital ship they were after, they were planning an assault on it imediatly after they encountered it so...

If someone says an attack has failed/deteriorated and then procedes to list casualties, I think it's fair game to say those casualties were done because of the assault.

Why are people so sceptical about a superior warship by an ancient race overpowering an inferior one by a new race?
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This is getting ridiculous! What the hell ij that mission i defang the Ravana and then a Deimos i believe crushes it to pieces! What is that dificult to understand!
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
I can destroy the Sathanas singlehandely, does that mean every pilot in the GTVA can do so too?

Alpha 1 for gameplay purposes can do anything. Storywise, that's a whole diferent story.
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