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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
I can destroy the Sathanas singlehandely, does that mean every pilot in the GTVA can do so too?

Alpha 1 for gameplay purposes can do anything. Storywise, that's a whole diferent story.

If you turned the original FS2 campaign into a multiplayer co-op, then yeah.  The ownage of Shivans would be off the charts... :pimp:

 

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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
DElacroix was destroyed but it doens't specify exactly how...did he Ravan had any escort warships? Was it an ambush?

It just said that the attack failed, and I assume Comamnd wasn't dumb enough to just go in a frontal assault. A ambush :hopping: I say.

They probably tried to ambush but the nebula screwed with sensors and vision so the Ravana was able to change heading and fry the sorry destroyer without taking major damage (that's what I assume happened).

that's exactly what happens in my campaign :p


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Why are people so sceptical about a superior warship by an ancient race overpowering an inferior one by a new race?

It's not that...I'm sceptical of it getting out of a engagement with several warships wit h100% integrity!  that's a no no..

Unless of course it unleashed it complement in an ambush, crippling down the delacroix and then delivering the final blow.
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
My question is, was the GTD Delacroix a Hecate-class or an Orion-class?  I'd guess Orion since Hecates are more of a command-and-control vessel better served away from the frontlines where it can sortie fighter/bomber wings safely, but yeah the escaping mostly intact from an engagement with an Orion is highly unlikely, it has 3 BGreens, at least 1 of which should always be able to hit and deal some noticeable damage.  Unless of course that beam missed but the slash beam(s) should still have made somewhat of a dent.

 

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Sure a Ravana can take out pretty fast a GTVA destroyer or rather its beam cannons can but even so there were a lot of warships suposedly involved! So it would be IMPOSIBLE FOR a ravana to get away wihtout a single scratch ! Hell at least one bommber should of unleashed at least 1 helios! I mean come on ppl i know shivan have uber ships of doom but such an arguement is right there on the border line of absolute stupidity! Nothing gets away undamaged not even shivan warships !

And how the hell did the Ravana fighter/bommber compliment managed to get away wihtout a single scratch ever wondered that? We arent talking about crappy sivan aaaf defences here ppl! this is GTVA lvl aaaf defences which are far far more superior!
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
Uhh, the Lucifer and Sathanas got away from most battles without a scratch. They just completely annihilated the opposition till a weakness could finally be found.

I'm pretty sure if you have overwhelming firepower you get away from a battle without taking much damage.

 

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Uhh, the Lucifer and Sathanas got away from most battles without a scratch. They just completely annihilated the opposition till a weakness could finally be found.

I'm pretty sure if you have overwhelming firepower you get away from a battle without taking much damage.

Much damage not any sort of damage at all! And we really cand compare the Sathanas and the Lucifer to a ravana now can we?? Even the first Sath and the second one suffered damage! The first was destroyer the second was damaged by the Collie's beam cannons !

My point is not that they cant get away its rather they can not do that wihout suffeing damage especialy a shivan destroyer wich should suffer at least moderate dammage from a fleet that large!
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I'm pretty sure the Shivan have fleet so of their own. The problem is, the Shivans are so mysterious that we make mostly assumptions about them.

 

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And most of the asumptions we make of them are wrong! Like they are gods of doom they ships cant be sratched by such primitive species like the terrans and vasudan! Damn people here make the GTVA seem like theyre throwing stones at a Chalanger 2 tank! Like the GTVA are some sort of cave men or something! Well they kinda aer cavemen since they still fight eachother for stupid things but aside from that the GTVA has the upper hand over the shivans in many areas such aaaf defences tactics strategy better ship designs and most importantly of all survival instinct and imagination and ingenuity!

Compared to the GTVA in some respects the shivans are kinda primitive to say the least!
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Shivans aren't primitive, they are better than the GTVA at certain technological aspects (beams, subspace) and worse in others (stealth, fighter weaponry, support/re-arm/repair ships).  How they make up for it is their attack-oriented designs + TOTALLY OVERWHELMING numbers, enough to challenge even a Zerg Overmind with full command of all its broods.

Due to the Shivans lack of challenge by any species we've seen so far, they haven't really had a need to use complex battle strategies or tactics to win, nor have they needed to quickly advance their technology.  This is probably why the Shivans don't improve by leaps and bounds, unlike the GTVA.

The GTVA doesn't have anywhere close to the numbers the Shivans have, which forces them to use complex strategies/tactics to minimize casualties and maximize kills.  This also forces them to quickly improve their technology so their numerically inferior forces stand a chance against the Shivan swarms.

Another way to put it is that, the Shivans don't really have much selective pressure to improve and survive, while the GTVA must CONSTANTLY adapt, grow and advance in any possible way just to fend of the Shivans.

 

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Also who is to say the shivans have anot already reached they technological and evolutionary peak?

We all know when such a species reaches its peak they kinda tend to stagnate and the new scientifical bereakthroughs are few and far between! This could be the case with the shivans you know!
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So technically, the GTVA may have been just fighting a bunch of Shivan pirates. Imagine that, the Terran and Vasudan race nearly wiped out from a band of Shivan pirates.

 

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So technically, the GTVA may have been just fighting a bunch of Shivan pirates. Imagine that, the Terran and Vasudan race nearly wiped out from a band of Shivan pirates.

I reakky want to know how you managed to figure that out??
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Well, its all speculations. My theory that the Shivan incursions were nothing more then pirates has as much basis as your theory that you can simply capture a Shivan warship and reverse engineer the beam weaponry.

 

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I'n not convinced a capture would be necessary to obtain some Shivan equipment.  When a capital ship goes up, there would still be a significant amount of it left somewhat intact.

You'd be unlikely to scavenge any quality equipment, but there might be enough to get a few ideas about the general direction of your enemies' technological development.
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Well, its all speculations. My theory that the Shivan incursions were nothing more then pirates has as much basis as your theory that you can simply capture a Shivan warship and reverse engineer the beam weaponry.

You must be joking right?? The god damn GTVA has beam weapons beacuse they took a scan of those lucifer flux cannons which were the precursors of the moder day beam cannons! Come on...we have ample proof that GTVA cas reverse engenier shivan tech! Terran Mara Beam weapons Kaiser need i go further??

They already reversed engeniered beam cannons and moder day beam cannons are much more powerfull then the lucifers flux cannons yet they are nowhere near as powerfull as the shivan beams which for obvious reasons are much more powerfull! Why? because they invented the blasted things ! also the GTVA already took steps into improving its beam tehch with the MJolnir beam cannon! So i have cannon proof that the GTVA is not only capable of reverse engeniering shivan tech but also improving it!
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
Uhh, the Lucifer and Sathanas got away from most battles without a scratch. They just completely annihilated the opposition till a weakness could finally be found.
I'm pretty sure if you have overwhelming firepower you get away from a battle without taking much damage.

Lucifer was shielded..Sath getting trough 2 blockades without a scratch is UTTER BOLLOCKS... :ick:

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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
Well, its all speculations. My theory that the Shivan incursions were nothing more then pirates has as much basis as your theory that you can simply capture a Shivan warship and reverse engineer the beam weaponry.

You must be joking right?? The god damn GTVA has beam weapons beacuse they took a scan of those lucifer flux cannons which were the precursors of the moder day beam cannons! Come on...we have ample proof that GTVA cas reverse engenier shivan tech! Terran Mara Beam weapons Kaiser need i go further??

First, we don't know how the GTVA got beam weapons. Second, the Terran Mara was a captured modified vessel, that's not reverse-engineering. Thirdly, the kaiser was inspired by shivan weapons, again not reverse-engineering. Need I go further?  :rolleyes:

They already reversed engeniered beam cannons and moder day beam cannons are much more powerfull then the lucifers flux cannons The Lucifer flux cannons are more powerful than any GTVA beam. And almost Shivan beam for that matter. yet they are nowhere near as powerfull as the shivan beams which for obvious reasons are much more powerfull! Why? because they invented the blasted things ! also the GTVA already took steps into improving its beam tehch with the MJolnir beam cannon! So i have cannon proof that the GTVA is not only capable of reverse engeniering shivan tech but also improving it!
Yay, the GTVA is capable of improving technology! Shall we disregard the "advances" that were shown by the shivans?
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what have you been eating dude? show me where it says such thing! please! You know it was a time when people here were kinda harsh with stupid asumptions and twistings of reality i see those times are gone! I should know i got mi rear kicked for spouting out crap more then once!
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
Also who is to say the shivans have anot already reached they technological and evolutionary peak?

We all know when such a species reaches its peak they kinda tend to stagnate and the new scientifical bereakthroughs are few and far between! This could be the case with the shivans you know!

Um how do we know a race can reach a scientific and evolutionary peak?  Is there another sentient race on this planet that has peaked that i don't know about?  What basis do you have to even make such a statement?
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Re: GTVA Colossus VS SJ Sathanas
what have you been eating dude? show me where it says such thing! please! You know it was a time when people here were kinda harsh with stupid asumptions and twistings of reality i see those times are gone! I should know i got mi rear kicked for spouting out crap more then once!

Would you care to specify?

In fact, while I'm at it, I dare anyone to specify some technology where the GTVA has superiority over the Shivans.
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