[FUBAR-BDHR]

It is possible that it could.  If I read this correctly one of the stars we call Capella is in it's red giant phase.  If it collapsed it could then from a white dwarf and explode into a supernova later on. 

http://www.solstation.com/stars2/capella4.htm

[Snail]

It's called the Calgary Sun. A newspaper in Calgary, Alberta, Canada...my dad reads it all the time. They call it the sun because they release a new paper every sunday...

There's a British one called "The Sun" too, you know.

It is possible that it could.  If I read this correctly one of the stars we call Capella is in it's red giant phase.  If it collapsed it could then from a white dwarf and explode into a supernova later on. 

It's rather obvious that the RL Capella isn't the FS Capella. Plus the star the Sath's nova'd wasn't a red giant anyway.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Yea and there is the one most people refer to:  The sun times I think it's from Chicago.  I gave up on newspaper long ago.

Anyways I wasn't suggesting that Capella in the game is one of those stars I was suggesting that a similar situation could occur in another system called Capella in Freespace. 

[karajorma]

The sun in the missions doesn't have a companion. So regardless of 's astronomical knowledge the star in the cutscene can't be Capella.

Sirius is impossible in real life (Sirius A and B are 20 AU apart IIRC). Given the timing that the cutscene is played at, Bosch would most likely be in Regulus. That said if did actually ever decide which system the cutscene took place in I'd probably say they'd pick Sirius.

[ShadowGorrath]

Hey , I think that the system with one star getting it's matter sucked in by another one is actually the system beyond the second knossos , because in that system ( on the SOC mission ) you can see one larger sun and one smaller , with a nebula added between them , that makes it look like one is sucking matter from the other one .

And about Capella going supernova . You got to admit - even at Shivan standarts , building a juggernaut means a lot of work . So they wouldn't build more juggernauts than they need to ( why should they ? it's hard enough to build that many , and even in FS1 they didn't build more ships than they thought they needed ) . So anyway , their plan was to form some sort of subspace node near the Capella star . But since one juggernaut was destroyed , the other got interrupted ( when it was sent to destroy the Colossus ) , and other 10 didn't make it ( I guess so , after you destroyed the 3 comm nodes in the system beyond the second knossos ) , the Shivans didn't have enough power to form the node , so the star colapsed .

P.S. The nebula beyond Gamma Draconis couldn't be a Shivan one , because if it was , it either would be milions years old , or extremely hot and there wouldn't be any knossos' .

Just my opinion

[Jeff Vader]

Hey , I think that the system with one star getting it's matter sucked in by another one is actually the system beyond the second knossos , because in that system ( on the SOC mission ) you can see one larger sun and one smaller , with a nebula added between them , that makes it look like one is sucking matter from the other one .

So basically what you're saying is, that first Bosch travelled through the Knossos, and through the second Knossos, then gave his little monologue, then got back the same way he came and went hiding somewhere in Gamma Draconis. And all this without the GTVA ever noticing a damn thing? And then he made the mad dash to the Knossos and jumped back to the nebula. Sounds a bit too mad, even for Bosch.

[Snail]

And about Capella going supernova . You got to admit - even at Shivan standarts , building a juggernaut means a lot of work .

There's no evidence to support that. The Shivans could make a hundred Sathanes every year for all we know. We know absolutely nothing about Shivan constructions standards.

But since one juggernaut was destroyed , the other got interrupted ( when it was sent to destroy the Colossus ) , and other 10 didn't make it ( I guess so , after you destroyed the 3 comm nodes in the system beyond the second knossos ) , the Shivans didn't have enough power to form the node , so the star colapsed .

IMO the supernova was a known side-effect of building the supernode.

P.S. The nebula beyond Gamma Draconis couldn't be a Shivan one , because if it was , it either would be milions years old , or extremely hot and there wouldn't be any knossos' .

There's an entire thread about that a bit back, you know. Common consensus is that it is either the Lupus Nebula or the Crab Nebula.

So basically what you're saying is, that first Bosch travelled through the Knossos, and through the second Knossos, then gave his little monologue, then got back the same way he came and went hiding somewhere in Gamma Draconis. And all this without the GTVA ever noticing a damn thing? And then he made the mad dash to the Knossos and jumped back to the nebula. Sounds a bit too mad, even for Bosch.

Yeah I agree.

[ShadowGorrath]

And about Capella going supernova . You got to admit - even at Shivan standarts , building a juggernaut means a lot of work .

There's no evidence to support that. The Shivans could make a hundred Sathanes every year for all we know. We know absolutely nothing about Shivan constructions standards.

But since one juggernaut was destroyed , the other got interrupted ( when it was sent to destroy the Colossus ) , and other 10 didn't make it ( I guess so , after you destroyed the 3 comm nodes in the system beyond the second knossos ) , the Shivans didn't have enough power to form the node , so the star colapsed .

IMO the supernova was a known side-effect of building the supernode.

P.S. The nebula beyond Gamma Draconis couldn't be a Shivan one , because if it was , it either would be milions years old , or extremely hot and there wouldn't be any knossos' .

There's an entire thread about that a bit back, you know. Common consensus is that it is either the Lupus Nebula or the Crab Nebula.

So basically what you're saying is, that first Bosch travelled through the Knossos, and through the second Knossos, then gave his little monologue, then got back the same way he came and went hiding somewhere in Gamma Draconis. And all this without the GTVA ever noticing a damn thing? And then he made the mad dash to the Knossos and jumped back to the nebula. Sounds a bit too mad, even for Bosch.

Yeah I agree.

Just my opinion

Btw , if it was known , wouldn't the Shivans know how to avoid the loss of 40 juggernauts ?

[Snail]

And if they could create a hundred Sathanes every year then maybe they don't care.

[TrashMan]

IMO the supernova was a known side-effect of building the supernode.

IMHO, it makes no sense. If the shivies knew the sun would go boom, while not pull out all the OTHER ships in the system? Why loose ships when you don't have to? That's too extreeme, even for the shivies.

[karajorma]

There's an entire thread about that a bit back, you know. Common consensus is that it is either the Lupus Nebula or the Crab Nebula.

Lupus Nebula? The only nebula that comes up on a Google or Wikipedia search is IC 4406 and there's no way it's that since that's a planetary nebula.

As for the Crab Nebula why on Earth would it be that one?

[Snail]

Lupus Nebula? The only nebula that comes up on a Google or Wikipedia search is IC 4406 and there's no way it's that since that's a planetary nebula.

Uhh check the FreeSpace Wiki. Search "Identity of the Nebula System." Apparently there was a discussion a long while back.

As for the Crab Nebula why on Earth would it be that one?

The story about that one is very interesting. Apparently, the Crab Nebula's star didn't have enough mass to create a supernova, which suggests the supernova was artificially triggered...

IMHO, it makes no sense. If the shivies knew the sun would go boom, while not pull out all the OTHER ships in the system? Why loose ships when you don't have to? That's too extreeme, even for the shivies.

Because the GTVA may have attacked the Sathanes directly. Remember in "Speaking in Tongues" the GTVA said they could destroy the Sathanes at its weak points using the combined firepower of three capitals. I bet they would've succeeded if they had the chance.

[karajorma]

Both candidates make the assumption that the Nebula was created at the same time as the war with the ancients though. Which is a rather enormous assumption.

[Snail]

It came almost certainly before the war with the Ancients since there's a Knossos in it. If it was before the Knossos must been vaporized (or it was very far away and wasn't affected).

[TrashMan]

IMHO, it makes no sense. If the shivies knew the sun would go boom, while not pull out all the OTHER ships in the system? Why loose ships when you don't have to? That's too extreeme, even for the shivies.

Because the GTVA may have attacked the Sathanes directly. Remember in "Speaking in Tongues" the GTVA said they could destroy the Sathanes at its weak points using the combined firepower of three capitals. I bet they would've succeeded if they had the chance.

the GTVA doesn't have the strenght or the firepower to tackle 80 sath..and neither the will to engage them....their forces were busy escorting civies anyway.
The Sath's fighter/bombers complements are enough to torment and keep the GTVA at bay.
All the shivies had to do is give a 10-15 minute warning to their other ships to turn around, jump towards a node and beat it before the nova.

[Snail]

Or maybe they just don't give a damn?

[TrashMan]

They do appear to not give a damn about losses - after all, just throwing ships at the enemy till he succumbs is their standard tactics - but even then it makes some sense. They use as many ships as needed to complete an objective.

but nuking your own ships is too redicolous, even for them.

[blowfish]

[crazy idea]Perhaps the Sathanas Juggernauts were the only ships capable of traveling through the supernode.  Kind of like how only capships can do intersystem jumps in FS1.[/crazy idea]

[Snail]

but nuking your own ships is too redicolous, even for them.

No it's not. They were needed sacrifices.

If they weren't there the GTVA would have had a very easy escape. And if the GTVA wanted to, they could have attacked the Saths with a multitude of bombers from their Hecates. They could take down maybe ten of them that way. Probably more. With the Shivans running around the system the GTVA will have a much harder time doing anything in the system, let alone attacking the Saths. If the support fleet wasn't in position, the Sathanes may have had to engage the GTVA themselves, which would have been a great big bother.

[General Battuta]

[crazy idea]Perhaps the Sathanas Juggernauts were the only ships capable of traveling through the supernode.  Kind of like how only capships can do intersystem jumps in FS1.[/crazy idea]

Y'know, that's not a bad concept.