[Jeff Vader]

shivan command

"The Ravana is down! The Ravana is down! Abort mission, pilots! Get out of there now!"

Oh wait. That would actually work. The reason why the Shivans seemed less strategic in FS2 is because they had developed their own version of GTVA Command.

[Woolie Wool]

The soul stuff is all metaphysics and spirituality and has no place in this thread.

If the GTA destroyed these mythical corvettes, why were there no reports of these ships ever existing. One might be able to explain away the Nahema appearing soon enough to influence the HOL by saying that they have a limited deployment or whatever, but the GTA and PVN would have noticed massive capital ships running around, and you even said that they had engaged and destroyed them.

[terran_emperor]

I mean they were destroyed before Terrans and vasudans ever encounter them...

No encounter, therefore no records...At least untill the conspiracy theorists get involves.

I agree with WW that the stuff about the Soul has no place in this thread. Whomever though i was refering to that opened an MFing big can of worms. Anyone who wants to discuss that sort of thing go find a priest/minister/rabbai/philosipher and talk it over with them

(No Offense Intended to anyone. Please don't , or me)

[Woolie Wool]

Who destroyed them? Now you're creating an entire new race to justify your claims?

[terran_emperor]

Who said anything 'bout a new race? Not every ship lost in history has been due to enemy action.

Subspace Accidents? Asteroid Belts? Commets? Solar Flares? Ion Storms? Nebula Storms (even more severe than in that FS mission? Magnetars (a highly Magnetic version of a Pulsar)? Black holes? Some chemical which eats the shivan superstucture?

[Woolie Wool]

But why would it wipe out an entire class of ship? Do you think the Lilins would all be segregated in their own fleet? They wouldn't--they're not super-ships, and would be spread among Shivan battlegroups just like other small and mid-size warships. Even the Sathanas fleet had hordes of escorts that engaged GTVA forces at capella while the juggernauts did their thing. Your calamity would have had to wipe out the entire Shivan navy.

[terran_emperor]

Like i said...I know they are holes in the theory. The achillies heel. To be honest i made them up on the spot as i was typing to fill in the gap...

For all we know, the Cain/Lilith could be the catapiller, The Lucifer the Butterfly and the Demon one big flying armoured cocoon 

For the other line

Rakshassa = Catterpiller
Moloch = cocoon
Ravana = Just emerged from cocoon butterfly
Sathanas = Fully formed butterfly

That was actually my other theory, but i didnt post that because i wanted to avoid the insectoid line of though and go somewhere else

[Woolie Wool]

Like i said...I know they are holes in the theory. The achillies heel. To be honest i made them up on the spot as i was typing to fill in the gap...

I think you should think about this some more. You can't just make things up as you go along.

[terran_emperor]

Why not? Thats what every theorist does. Some just are able to produce evidence.

[Woolie Wool]

No, most theorists conceptualize and prepare their theory and THEN present it.

[TrashMan]

Oh wait. That would actually work. The reason why the Shivans seemed less strategic in FS2 is because they had developed their own version of GTVA Command.

 

Of course. When nobody was giving orders they were doing better. If the IQ of GTVA Command is -10, what is the IQ of Shivan Command then? -100?

[Woolie Wool]

If you came here to make Command jokes, you aren't doing anything for this thread.

[terran_emperor]

Well, i appreciate them...I did start this thread so i can say what is off topic for it...

This thread is way too serious...

As to the Shivan Command - however shivans co-ordinate fleets at long range...Could be a shivan admiral ofver there comms, could be a king/queen...could be some fellow playing 4d chess

[Woolie Wool]

Well, i appreciate them...I did start this thread so i can say what is off topic for it...

This thread is way too serious...

A prerequisite for any sort of debate is approaching the subject matter seriously. If you cannot do so, you cannot have a rational discussion.

[terran_emperor]

So, doesnt mean you cant have the odd joke now and again...

-ontopic

So, i believe that Shivans have organic tech and ships grow. You dont thats fine by me. But it is nice to see others' opinion

[Woolie Wool]

So, doesnt mean you cant have the odd joke now and again...

-ontopic

So, i believe that Shivans have organic tech and ships grow. You dont thats fine by me. But it is nice to see others' opinion

Concession accepted.

[terran_emperor]

Its nice to have a good talk with someone, even if viewpoints clash. You and the others actually had some good points about my theories.

Heh! it could be worse, i mean it not like we're the USA and George Bush's so called "Axis of evil" 

[Polpolion]

IMHO the Shivans are a hivemind race with the Hive on one ship, which we never saw. It communicates through delegates (ie the lucifer) to the rest of the Shivan fleet, perhaps because they are so far away. Shivan ships might have an integrated control built right into the ship (barring fighters/bombers), which receives orders from the delegate ship. The Shivans themselves provide power, perform maintenance, fly fighters, etc. I myself doubt that all of the ship is organic, but I'm willing to bet that parts of it, like the command/control part, is organic (At the very least a cyborg-ish type being). The vital control systems of the ship are grown a la Brave New World, and just the hulks of the ship are manufactured. This would greatly speed up and increase production capacity. Bigger ships' cores would be allowed to mature longer before being put into ships.

[Mura]

I had a comment involving octopus, sea stars and other kinds of shell fish and some more theories i forgot as i rode into page 7, but including them now would be just adding fuel to a extinguishing fire (good thing it's extinguishing, omg... people got really fired up here).

Ah well, i guess this is one discussion i wont be into anymore since it seems decaying now.

Good topic terran_emperor, you really got things interesting hahahaha

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Good topic terran_emperor, you really got things interesting hahahaha

I agree, you got me thinking about it...