[CP5670]

It's called the "Freespace Upgrade" project not the "FreeSpace Change the Effect to what I think it should look like instead" project. New effects should be largely revamps of the the original, not something else entirely.

I have not been following this thread closely, but this needs a big QFT. The media VPs are not the place to make wholesale stylistic changes as people see fit.

Also, to whoever said "just edit the tbm if you don't like the new one," it's not that simple. This is the first media VP package that will be used in multiplayer and the central server will immediately reject any such changes it detects.

In this case getting a completely different affect is understandable. The original maxim affect was ****, so is the one currently in the mvp's that currently replaces the original affect. This one needs to get put in.

Of course, this is only your opinion. Many of us like the original effect. I haven't yet seen the new ones posted here in the game (where they may look quite different), but any substantially different concept for this belongs in a mod and not the media VPs.

[S-99]

     We talking about the same effect here???
     Screen attached, of the old in the bottom corner and the new BB gun Maxim front and centre. Though oddly enough I don't remember the Maxim being jagged like that at all . . .

EDIT - oops, can't really see the new worth **** but it's basically just some little BB pellet with some whiteish haze around it. Wholly unsatisfying to fire for me at least.

The bb gun affect you posted is the maxim affect that's currently in the mvp's. I already talked about that one reread a last post by me or something. I was pretty descriptive about retail old and the old one that's in the mvp's...in a wierd way. I can do better. Here's the screenshot to the new one in this thread that was on like page 5. I figured that when i'm talking about the new affect, that people would understand that i meant the one in this thread that was created.


This is no bb gun o doom. This is is also similar to the original.

[CaptJosh]

You know, you could have just complained that the size of the shot was too small. That's all your complaint really is. That's not that hard to resolve.

[Droid803]

This is no bb gun o doom. This is is also similar to the original.

Yeah, its not BB gun. Its a pill launcher, to make sure those kids who won't take their meds do so.
The only similarity with the original is that they're blue...and glowy.

[Akalabeth Angel]

You know, you could have just complained that the size of the shot was too small. That's all your complaint really is. That's not that hard to resolve.

        No, that's not really my complaint. If it were bigger, it would just be a big white ball instead of a small white  ball. Whereas the original retail effect looked more akin to an energy blast, which, while perhaps in some interpretations is contrary to the tech description it is what is.

The bb gun affect you posted is the maxim affect that's currently in the mvp's. I already talked about that one reread a last post by me or something. I was pretty descriptive about retail old and the old one that's in the mvp's...in a wierd way. I can do better. Here's the screenshot to the new one in this thread that was on like page 5. I figured that when i'm talking about the new affect, that people would understand that i meant the one in this thread that was created.

        That looks better though it's hard to know how it looks exactly when they're seemingly fired from another craft rather than the players craft (which is what people will be seeing 95% of the time).

IMO the old effect was better...

BTW, do you have a tablet?

         Yeah, waccom Tablet. Not a Cintiq.
         Tablet only runs about 150 CDN.

[Gregster2k]

Meh, my complaint about the Maxim is pretty simple. It's called the "Freespace Upgrade" project not the "FreeSpace Change the Effect to what I think it should look like instead" project. New effects should be largely revamps of the the original, not something else entirely.

Agreed. The Media VPs reflect the FreeSpace Upgrade Project and the VPs have been featuring unwanted extras, things that are not so much upgrades but are eye candy modifications that rightfully belong under FreeSpace Modding.

We need a system to enable safe eyecandy modifications without multiplayer cheat problems.

[Vasudan Admiral]

Generalised sentiments of "There's stuff in the MVPs that shouldn't be official" are completely and utterly useless to us, so how 'bout this:

Could everyone who has a gripe about something currently in the 3.6.10 beta MVPs please list what those things are either here or in the main thread, so that we can see if any of them are issues we need to address.

Remember that all the past official MVP releases have been assembled by single individuals - and even though they've done a brilliant job each time, the fiddly nature and shear amount of content that needs to be managed makes it very very tricky to get it right first time. Now that we have a management team it should be a lot easier.

Also, keep in mind that gripes like 'the HTL model X looks too different - it shouldn't be considered official' will probably not be acted upon, considering how few and far between HTL modellers are nowadays.

[General Battuta]

I'll be the first to officially note that the Maxim effect is underwhelming and has deviated too far from the retail effect.

[Snail]

I know HTL models are rare, but the HTL Typhon is a) crap and b) has more than the normal amount of turrets.

I mean the original Typhon model looked way better.

[Mars]

There's an HP Typhon? 

[blowfish]

Yeah, it should be on fsmods.  It is not a great htl model; it doesn't have a lot more detail than the original and it is still tile-mapped, but I disagree with Snail - I think it is better than the original.  There is also the problem, as Snail mentioned, of it having more turrets than the original, but its pretty easy to ignore that or if you can't its a 5 minute job to delete the new turrets in PCS2.

[Mars]

Well if you looks at the example of the SD Lucifer, people overlooked the extra turrets because

a) You could simply not activate them
b) It was a damn good model

I'm assuming neither applies here?

[Snail]

a) You could simply not activate them

You could.

b) It was a damn good model

It wasn't.


My main gripe about the HTL Typhon is that most of its polies were used to make it smoother. That did little to make it look better, the original's lighting was fine and everything. The HTL version also had the stupid fighterbays where fighters appear out of nowhere and were just a ****ing wall (like the Ravana and Hatshepsut's) while the original typhon had a much more detailed and logical fighterbay where fighters actually exited from them instead of just appearing. Lots of the nice little ship-specific texture touches Volition made to the original model were also lost, which I didn't like either. To round it all off, it used more textures and so used up more memory.

It was crap, really.

[tinfoil]

the circe is fuzzy and pathetic

[blowfish]

The HTL version also had the stupid fighterbays where fighters appear out of nowhere and were just a ****ing wall (like the Ravana and Hatshepsut's) while the original typhon had a much more detailed and logical fighterbay where fighters actually exited from them instead of just appearing.

Can't argue with that.

To round it all off, it used more textures and so used up more memory.

Or that...

Lots of the nice little ship-specific texture touches Volition made to the original model were also lost, which I didn't like either.

Care to elaborate?

[Snail]

Okay, take capital04-05a as a texture for example. See where the Sensor subsystem is, with the thing with the horns? On Volition's model, it is tiled in such a way that it is a unique pattern not seen anywhere else on the ship. On TrashMan's it is tiled over 4 times.

[blowfish]

Point taken.

[tinfoil]

yeah that one could be better.

[Snail]

TrashMan's Orion was decent enough but his Typhon wasn't really that good IMO.

[Hellstryker]

Good god this thread isn't dead yet?