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What is your favourite capital ship in Freespace 2 (try to pick Shivan and Terran)

Sathanas
Lucifer (Not in the game I know, but it can be placed in FRED)
Orion
Colossus
Leviathan
Ravana
Demon
Rakshasa
Sobek
Hatsheput
Iceni
Cain
Lilith (practically same as cain but oh well)
Hippocrates
Arcadia (more of a base really but still It's a significant installation)
Deimos
Aeolous

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The Orion and Ravana both seem to be anti-capital weapons.  They both have lots of firepower (though the Ravana might have a little more), but all of the Ravana's firepower is focused forward, while the Orion has it spread around its hull.  I am pretty sure that in a duel from their strongest angles (the Ravana facing the Orion and the Orion's port side facing the Ravana), the Ravana would win.  The Ravana was built as an purely offensive weapon, if put in any other situation it will die quickly.

 

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The Orion and Ravana both seem to be anti-capital weapons.  They both have lots of firepower (though the Ravana might have a little more), but all of the Ravana's firepower is focused forward, while the Orion has it spread around its hull.  I am pretty sure that in a duel from their strongest angles (the Ravana facing the Orion and the Orion's port side facing the Ravana), the Ravana would win.  The Ravana was built as an purely offensive weapon, if put in any other situation it will die quickly.

The Ravana would win only because it has it has a large profile to hit. If you were to put them on a broadside battle, I'm pretty confident that the Orion will be victorious. I mean, just look at this...

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Whoa Whoa Whoa there. Since when the hell did a Rvana managed to severely damage the Colie. Does anyone even rmember the Fact the the Collie was at 80% already? Also If i remember corectly it saya that a Rvana and its fighter/bommber complemenet managed to damage the Collie well basicly it took out its fighterbay. also the Collie was under heavy fire there for a while from both cap ships and fighter/bommbers if i remember correctly.

As far as i can tell you coult Throw 3 Ravanas at once at a Collie and it would still win hands down asuming the battle involves just beams. If it involves fighter and bommber then the battle is even easier for the Collie since the Collie actualy does have AAAF defences where as the Ravana has none. Well it does have something they are hust too weak to be even considered . Hell the Orion has better AAAF defences then the Ravana.


Also it is unfair to say a ship is superior to the other if you are not giving them both the same advantages in field test. The Orion is Superior simply because it can take out more then one ship at one time because of its broadside firepower.As i said the Ravana is the BEST offensive destroyer calss warship in game. The BEST destroyer in gmae not even close. In fact i consider the Demon to be superior to the Ravana.

Also when comparing the Ravana to another warship please dont compare it to the Hecate. Its just not fair. The Hecate is not a front line heavy action in your face destroyer. It was never meant to be. And you can see that from its design and massive fighter/bomber capacity.

Also i dont really care if a weapon in game was Freded sexp'ed or whatever if it was used in game then there should be at least the posibilaty that such a weapon is canon.

Why am i sayng this?? well i have 2 words for you "Surrender Belisarius " ! You know what im talking about.

Also as far as i can tell an Orion can take out a corvette as seen above really fast .


As for the Whole profile thing we have seen beam cannons miss their targets so i was wondering how a Ravana would do against an Iceni and its 3 BGreens . Slim profile fast and agile....masive forward firepower....!
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Whoa Whoa Whoa there. Since when the hell did a Rvana managed to severely damage the Colie. Does anyone even rmember the Fact the the Collie was at 80% already?
Like we discussed on the previous page...
Quote from: The dialogue of "Their Finest Hour"
"The Ravana is going down, but we've sustained critical damage."
Like it or lump it, the CO/whatever of the Colossus stated that part after the Beast went down. It very much implies that the Beast caused quite a bit of damage to the Colossus. We all know that the Colossus was damaged and we all know the Beast didn't damage it really much, but nonetheless, in-game dialogue (something I often concider canon) states that the Colossus took critical damage from the short battle with the Beast. That is what we were discussing here.

But occasionally this "Which ship is better?" comparison tends to get out of hands. We can create all sorts of scenarios. We can have a Cain and a huge pile o' fighters/bombers attacking an Orion in such a way that the bombers disarm/disable the Orion, the fighters provide cover against the Orion's fighters and the Cain just blasts away. If it succeeds, the scenario (yet again) proves that the Cain is superior to the Orion.

It's not just the stats. The environment and the tactics have a surprising amount of influence to the outcome of a battle.
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Also it is unfair to say a ship is superior to the other if you are not giving them both the same advantages in field test. The Orion is Superior simply because it can take out more then one ship at one time because of its broadside firepower.As i said the Ravana is the BEST offensive destroyer calss warship in game. The BEST destroyer in gmae not even close. In fact i consider the Demon to be superior to the Ravana.

Like I said before, best non-shivan destroyer. The Ravana doesn't need to engage multiple ships, it can just obliderate one and go on to the next!  ;) Now in all seriousness, I consider the Ravana above all those capital ships because of it's sensors, weapons and general awesomeness.

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Also when comparing the Ravana to another warship please dont compare it to the Hecate. Its just not fair. The Hecate is not a front line heavy action in your face destroyer. It was never meant to be. And you can see that from its design and massive fighter/bomber capacity.
I didn't? I compared it to any destroyer in the GTVA (in particular the Orion because it was the one being shoved around as an example).

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Also i dont really care if a weapon in game was Freded sexp'ed or whatever if it was used in game then there should be at least the posibilaty that such a weapon is canon.

Why am i sayng this?? well i have 2 words for you "Surrender Belisarius " ! You know what im talking about.

Yes, the Hatshepsut owns as well.  :D But it's light-years ahead of any other GTVA destroyer. See my first post in this thread.  :p

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Also as far as i can tell an Orion can take out a corvette as seen above really fast .

I still withhold my judgement regarding that.

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As for the Whole profile thing we have seen beam cannons miss their targets so i was wondering how a Ravana would do against an Iceni and its 3 BGreens . Slim profile fast and agile....masive forward firepower....!

It managed to hit a Deimos head on, which has a much smaller profile than the Iceni. The Iceni wouldn't stand a chance.
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Which is what i was saing on a previous page regarding the way we take into account everithing that is a + and a - on warship and based on all those stats we can conclude if it is a good of bad warship. Dont feel like explaining it again so go through my previous posts.

Also If that is the case then the Vasudan do actualy have BF beams as we can see from the mission "Surrender Belisarius" . And if that is the Case then actualy the Vasudans have the mother of all beams   well at least from the GTVA POV. because the BFVas or whatever its called would produce just a weee bit under the dammage of a BFGreen but it has a faster refire rate then the BFGreen then the vasudans actualy have more powerfull beams. Oh you get my point.


Also the Iceni is also a canon ship in this case and can no be considered as a one of plot line ship . But rather as an actual ship. The fact that we dont see it ingame with the GTVA is something else. Dont want to start off on a path this way.

Again The Ravana is only superior in 1 of the 3 different aspects of how i view warships and how most ppl here tend to analize warhips and say hat one is better then the other.

Noone is sayng that the Ravana is not a kickarse offensive destroyer when engaging cap ships HEADON . However the Ravana is pretty much useless at anithing other then engaging capships headon.

Also dont go around sayng that a Ravana can just Obliterate a Capship and then just move on to the next cuz you see things are not so simple. The Orion and pretty much any other GTVA ship can just snipe the Ravana from outside its beam cannons range. Now how superior is the Ravana ???

Also by the time the Ravana gets into range and asuming it does get in range in time and asuming it can by some miralcle take out the enemy before it goes down what do you thinjk the other warship is dooing?? Beaming it to pieces or even better manouvering out of its field of fire.

The Ravana lost its edge in the nebula as soon as the GTVA was actualy able to see what was in there. As soon as the GTVA managed to do that they didnt even bother to send in a destroyer they just bommbed it to pieces. That was the first and only smart thing i saw the GTVA Command do...actualy it was not GTVA command it was Petrach but that is another thing.

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If this thread has turned into Orion vs. Ravana, Orion wins.  Well, actually, I don't know because I use BFRed to kill the Ravana ;)
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The Orion and Ravana both seem to be anti-capital weapons.  They both have lots of firepower (though the Ravana might have a little more), but all of the Ravana's firepower is focused forward, while the Orion has it spread around its hull.  I am pretty sure that in a duel from their strongest angles (the Ravana facing the Orion and the Orion's port side facing the Ravana), the Ravana would win.  The Ravana was built as an purely offensive weapon, if put in any other situation it will die quickly.

The Ravana would win only because it has it has a large profile to hit. If you were to put them on a broadside battle, I'm pretty confident that the Orion will be victorious. I mean, just look at this...

Why don't you actually try this.  If the Ravana is facing the Orion's port side, the Ravana has 2 LReds and 2 SReds, and the Orion has 2 BGreens and 2 TerSlashers.  The SRed is probably superior to the TerSlash, but the LRed is more than 150% as effective as the BGreen (in sustained damage per second).  And target profile on the Orion doesn't really matter since the Ravana uses direct firing beams (not slashers).  While I doubt that the Ravana would be in good shape when this battle was over, it would still win.

 

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Which is what i was saing on a previous page regarding the way we take into account everithing that is a + and a - on warship and based on all those stats we can conclude if it is a good of bad warship. Dont feel like explaining it again so go through my previous posts.

Also If that is the case then the Vasudan do actualy have BF beams as we can see from the mission "Surrender Belisarius" . And if that is the Case then actualy the Vasudans have the mother of all beams   well at least from the GTVA POV. because the BFVas or whatever its called would produce just a weee bit under the dammage of a BFGreen but it has a faster refire rate then the BFGreen then the vasudans actualy have more powerfull beams. Oh you get my point.


Also the Iceni is also a canon ship in this case and can no be considered as a one of plot line ship . But rather as an actual ship. The fact that we dont see it ingame with the GTVA is something else. Dont want to start off on a path this way.

Again The Ravana is only superior in 1 of the 3 different aspects of how i view warships and how most ppl here tend to analize warhips and say hat one is better then the other.

Noone is sayng that the Ravana is not a kickarse offensive destroyer when engaging cap ships HEADON . However the Ravana is pretty much useless at anithing other then engaging capships headon.

Also dont go around sayng that a Ravana can just Obliterate a Capship and then just move on to the next cuz you see things are not so simple. The Orion and pretty much any other GTVA ship can just snipe the Ravana from outside its beam cannons range. Now how superior is the Ravana ???

Also by the time the Ravana gets into range and asuming it does get in range in time and asuming it can by some miralcle take out the enemy before it goes down what do you thinjk the other warship is dooing?? Beaming it to pieces or even better manouvering out of its field of fire.

The Ravana lost its edge in the nebula as soon as the GTVA was actualy able to see what was in there. As soon as the GTVA managed to do that they didnt even bother to send in a destroyer they just bommbed it to pieces. That was the first and only smart thing i saw the GTVA Command do...actualy it was not GTVA command it was Petrach but that is another thing.



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Vasudans don't have a BF beam. Their biggest one is the BVas.

Tell that to the Belisarius.
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Exactly tell that to the Belisarius. Does anyone remember  at what % of its life was the Belisarius when it was destroyerd by the Belisarius?

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It was at 24%, and a BVas is more than enough to do that much damage to a Deimos (BVas = ~22000 hp per shot, 80000 hp (Deimos) x 25% = 20000 hp).

 
Hum? Maybe SEXPs?
The BVas does 22385 dmg, wheras the Deimos has 80000 hit points.
a) it was SEXP'd for a more cinematic effect or
b) the Psamtik was given a stronger beam for a more cinematic effect.
Can't find any entry on a BFVas though.

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Well i do remember there was a discusion about this and it was pretty clear that the specific incident with the more powerfull BVas was not standard beam cannons for Vasudans or something like that. Either way should the Vasudans achieve such powerfull beams through overloading and stuff similar to what the Collie did with its beams then i must say that the Vasudans actualy have a kickarse beam cannon even if it not something that can be used on a regular basis.

However should that be the case then i believe we have seen the second most powerfull ship mounted beam canon in game. If that is the case then wohoo for the zods .

Also does anyone elsee fleet that the Hattie is undergunned?? I for one cand shake this feeling that the Hatie could of used at least 2 more beam canons. But that is just me. I mean that ship looks like its naked considering it only has 4 beam cannons (?) .
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The bvas that killed the bellisarius was just a bvas

 

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Are you sure??? I seem to remember it beeing a hell of a lot more thick and longer then normal not to mention it seemed to go on for more then a sec or 2 like the Bgreens oki i know its a more then 1 or 2 seconds of sustained fire rate for the Bgreen nevermind that it just seemed to stay on longer..that is all.
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It being the first beam you ever see I would rekon alot of people remember it being bigger. :-D

 

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Dont phrase it like that is sounds.....strange .......! Errr..... nevermind. This reminds me of the boo.....err...!

Anyway anyone else wanna jump in here and give us the total damage output of the beam from the Psamtik during the Belisarius mission???
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Which is what i was saing on a previous page regarding the way we take into account everithing that is a + and a - on warship and based on all those stats we can conclude if it is a good of bad warship. Dont feel like explaining it again so go through my previous posts.

Also If that is the case then the Vasudan do actualy have BF beams as we can see from the mission "Surrender Belisarius" . And if that is the Case then actualy the Vasudans have the mother of all beams   well at least from the GTVA POV. because the BFVas or whatever its called would produce just a weee bit under the dammage of a BFGreen but it has a faster refire rate then the BFGreen then the vasudans actualy have more powerfull beams. Oh you get my point.

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Again The Ravana is only superior in 1 of the 3 different aspects of how i view warships and how most ppl here tend to analize warhips and say hat one is better then the other.

Noone is sayng that the Ravana is not a kickarse offensive destroyer when engaging cap ships HEADON . However the Ravana is pretty much useless at anithing other then engaging capships headon.

Also dont go around sayng that a Ravana can just Obliterate a Capship and then just move on to the next cuz you see things are not so simple. The Orion and pretty much any other GTVA ship can just snipe the Ravana from outside its beam cannons range. Now how superior is the Ravana ???

Also by the time the Ravana gets into range and asuming it does get in range in time and asuming it can by some miralcle take out the enemy before it goes down what do you thinjk the other warship is dooing?? Beaming it to pieces or even better manouvering out of its field of fire.

The Ravana lost its edge in the nebula as soon as the GTVA was actualy able to see what was in there. As soon as the GTVA managed to do that they didnt even bother to send in a destroyer they just bommbed it to pieces. That was the first and only smart thing i saw the GTVA Command do...actualy it was not GTVA command it was Petrach but that is another thing.

The Ravana will still be superior in any capital ship engagement. And before you start that it's only good when it's on the offensive/defensive/whatever, you must realize that its technology (sensors in this case, which is part of its design) was what enabled it to be on the offensive. The GTVA only found where it was after it blew a corvette right in front of them. Even when they found out where it was, it still blew up a destroyer and damaged a large part of the fleet. So if by that is what you mean losing it's edge, I'm scared to think of what it could do (and how in particular) if it kept it's edge.

Regarding beam range, I'm not sure what you mean since I'm pretty sure that the beam range of most (all?) shivan beams lie somewhere between equal and superior when compared to its GTVA counterparts.

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Also the Iceni is also a canon ship in this case and can no be considered as a one of plot line ship . But rather as an actual ship. The fact that we dont see it ingame with the GTVA is something else. Dont want to start off on a path this way.

I'm not sure if I understand you but sure, I'll be sure not to start off on a path that way... I think. :confused:
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