[Incer]

I'd like to note that the Humans lost their home SYSTEM, while the Vasudans lost only their home PLANET.
While the Vasudans this way lost probably the great majority of their population (14 billions dead, I seem to remember), the other planets in the system survived just fine, I believe. Any species that expands into space is most likely to colonize the planets in its own system first, even if they may not be fully inhabitable. And there are space-based installations too, asteroid mining facilities, bases, and most importantly, shipyards...

Also, while I envision Vasuda prime as being partially covered in molten rock and stuff, presumably something was still salvageable, like data from a few research centers which may have survived, while the humans got completely cut off from the main source of science, intelligence and most likely production of their whole empire. All that was left was research and production based outside Sol and probably copies of design plans and research data available in memory banks all over the Alliance (which shouldn't be much, after all in war you try to keep classified material as secure and in few copies as possible).

Also, regarding another T-V war, I find it unlikely. First of all, the 14 year war in FS1 seemed just like a plot item to justify the military development of the Terran and Vasudans fleets on the arrival of the Shivans, and maybe to justify the arrival of the Shivans. After the arrival of this third party the 2 former enemies swiftly joined forces, and in FS2 we see great integration between the two species, almost to the point of being one thing entirely, which is also understandable, seeing as T&Vs are more alike between them than they can ever be with absolutely alien Shivans.
Also, the NTF-caused strain on relations shouldn't be too big, after all humans had to deal with Hammer of Light dissidents in the Great War and after, so there's no reason why the Vasudans should act all high and migthy accusing Humans for the NTF's crimes. Rebels are rebels, after all..

[Jeff Vader]

I'd like to note that the Humans lost their home SYSTEM, while the Vasudans lost only their home PLANET.
While the Vasudans this way lost probably the great majority of their population (14 billions dead, I seem to remember), the other planets in the system survived just fine, I believe. Any species that expands into space is most likely to colonize the planets in its own system first, even if they may not be fully inhabitable. And there are space-based installations too, asteroid mining facilities, bases, and most importantly, shipyards...

First, try 4 billion. That's what it says in the command briefing of "Exodus". Then, you seem to assume that Vasuda has several inhabitable/useful systems. But that also might not be that way. Think about Sol. We have Earth. But after that we don't have much else. With enough effort colonies could be set up to Mars or the Moon, but that's about it. And statistically speaking it would be rare for a system to have several planets suitable for a species. Gas giants might be useful, if ,for example, deuterium was to be extracted from them to be used for fuel. But not necessarily.

Also, while I envision Vasuda prime as being partially covered in molten rock and stuff, presumably something was still salvageable, like data from a few research centers which may have survived, while the humans got completely cut off from the main source of science, intelligence and most likely production of their whole empire. All that was left was research and production based outside Sol and probably copies of design plans and research data available in memory banks all over the Alliance (which shouldn't be much, after all in war you try to keep classified material as secure and in few copies as possible).

I'd envision something else. The Lucifer (fleet) leveled all major cities and rendered the planet uninhabitable. There is the possibility that something might have remained intact, but if we assume that important stuff was stored to the major cities, it's gone.

[Incer]

First, try 4 billion. That's what it says in the command briefing of "Exodus".

Pardon, my memory failed me.

Then, you seem to assume that Vasuda has several inhabitable/useful systems. But that also might not be that way. Think about Sol. We have Earth. But after that we don't have much else. With enough effort colonies could be set up to Mars or the Moon, but that's about it. And statistically speaking it would be rare for a system to have several planets suitable for a species. Gas giants might be useful, if ,for example, deuterium was to be extracted from them to be used for fuel. But not necessarily.

Well, I believe that in an advanced age with tecnology to travel in space and live on spaceships, colonizing and exploiting Mars or Luna wouldn't be much of a problem. The same goes with any rocky planet in the Vasudan system. And don't forget space-based installations, which are very important for an entity such as the GTVA which seems very space-based.

I'd envision something else. The Lucifer (fleet) leveled all major cities and rendered the planet uninhabitable. There is the possibility that something might have remained intact, but if we assume that important stuff was stored to the major cities, it's gone.

Well, I'd expect military research to be carried out in or around military bases, which are often not very near to major cities, and some (see cold-war nuclear bunkers) are very well fortified and suited to outlast a catastrophe. Of course they wouldn't probably survive a direct hit from the Lucifer's cannons, but who says that the Shivan knew where to shoot? Also, I'm not saying that everything survived, I'm just saying that some stuff might have.

[Snail]

Remember that the Shivans destroyed stuff, they didn't really "occupy". They had "control" of Vasuda Prime for quite a long time, enough time anyway to lay waste to everything in the system. It's not like the Shivans blew up Vasuda Prime and then had a picnic. They did a lot more than that.

[Incer]

Personally I still cannot believe that the Lucifer could have managed or cared to systematically waste every installation that the Vasudans might have constructed in the system during decades of space faring, and why should it have done so?

[Snail]

Not the Lucifer, other destroyers/fighters/bombers/cruisers. Everything was attacked by the Shivans. Why would they simply ignore installations in Vasuda when they attacked everything else?

[Mawhrin]

data from a few research centers which may have survived

Data would have been easy, and high priority, for evacuation as the Lucy closed in, both for Vasuda and Sol.

If there's any canon evidence as to what proportion of industry, research, population etc. was in home systems I'd like to see it.

This is the first chance I've had to do this...

[Kopachris]

Well, I believe that in an advanced age with tecnology to travel in space and live on spaceships, colonizing and exploiting Mars or Luna wouldn't be much of a problem. The same goes with any rocky planet in the Vasudan system. And don't forget space-based installations, which are very important for an entity such as the GTVA which seems very space-based.

Don't forget a possible submarine colony "in" Europa 
That is, if there is liquid water underneath that ice...

[Incer]

This is the first chance I've had to do this...

Guess it'll be the first time that I'll be thankful for getting beamed.... 

[AlphaOne]

well fist off i would just like to say that the Vasudan loss is almost equal to the loss suffered by the terrans. Almost but not there. Since well terrans were cut off from everithing vasudans just had theyr homeworld blown from orbit. Almost the same thing but not exactly there which would go a long way to explain theyr faster economical recoveri. Even blown away at least its there and it is a moral help somewhat.

second of all i believe that the GTVA next projects will go in many directions at the same time.

Some of you will argue over the fact that they dont have the money for that. I will argue that they can not afford to wait . also i would like to remind everyone that for the better part the GTVA economy is still alive and kicking as oposed to the situation they face 30 years before.

I would just like to underline a few of the projects that the GTVA will start developing. First of all is the Knossos portal for the Sol jumpnode. Also i believe that because of the agravated circumstances and the huge strategical and economical importance of such a project it will be constructed a lot fater then previously stated by some ppl here. I strongly believe that the Sol jump portal will and should be constructed in 10 years perhaps even less.

why? well let me say this why not? I mean gaining acces to the most heaveli populated and developed sistem in the GTVA will boost trade and milatary power . And dont give me that thing about the terrans not wanting to join the GTVA since its all pretty much junk. They dont have a choice.

Also another important project will be the development of the Mjolnir cannons and the RBC's making them more lethal . Also on the same note i believe the GTVA will dedicate resources towards improving its beam cannons on all ships. This will most definetly be a joint effort.

Another series of projects will involve greather standardization of the GTVA fleet. Development of a replacement for the Orion should and will probably be a major and important requirement for the GTVA .  As well as to folow up on the Iceni prototipe. Perhaps a joint endeavour or a vasudan counterpart to it as well.


Also the further research in shivan tech will definetly happen since it has proven to be very succesfull.

These are but a few of the projects that will take place withing the next 10 years . And part of the Capella refugee problem can and will be solved by the growing demand of the milatary for personell and pilots. And part of it will be solved by relocating the Capellans to other less developed or populated sistems that need development in order to facilitate growing demand for resources.

[Mars]

The intellegence in either FS1 or FS2 states that Vasuda Prime is the only inhabitable planet in the system

[Snail]

I don't think it's the construction that would be holding back the Sol Knossos construction. It's the understanding. You could have the scans of the Knossos working but replicating these scans would be far, far harder than just building what you see.

And the Iceni duplicate idea is stupid. I think the GTVA could build a big fleet of Icenis, but I don't think they want to. The main thing is cost. I mean, the Iceni is really just a ship that the NTF poured a lot of their stuff into to make it a good ship. It had good armor, speed, and firepower. I doubt the GTVA can make a fleet of those without spending a hell of a lot on it. Likely doing it would be ignoring the other needs of the GTVA, like well fare and making other ships. Why make a fleet of Icenis when you can make a bigger fleet of Orion replacements?

[AlphaOne]

Because not even the mighty orion can go 30 m/s and bring to bear 3 BG on a single target.

Also while the Iceni could prove to be a very expensive ship i do believe that at some point in time the GTVA will develop something similar to it . and by joind development the costs could be shared.

also they did not have just scans of the Knossos they had all the date they needed to build another knossos at least from what that scientist lady said. As for the Orion unless they start producing them in massive numbers they wont be as efective now against the shivans. Or at least make them with better beam cannons. longer range bigger power.

also nothing jump starts the economy at least for a short amount of time like military spendings .

[Jeff Vader]

Because not even the mighty orion can go 30 m/s and bring to bear 3 BG on a single target.

Also while the Iceni could prove to be a very expensive ship i do believe that at some point in time the GTVA will develop something similar to it . and by joind development the costs could be shared.

Something similar, yes. Something that just might make some compromises in terms of structure or weaponary, in order to bring down the costs. And a joint project? Maybe, but not necessarily. The Terrans and Vasudans will probably continue to share technology with each other, but it is questionable, whether they'll bother with yet another literal joint project.

also they did not have just scans of the Knossos they had all the date they needed to build another knossos at least from what that scientist lady said.

Yeah, but think about it like this. We have all the data we need to build a fusion reactor. But do we have one yet? No. Reality has the bad habit of jumping in and urinating on your face when you try to accomplish something complicated and new.

[AlphaOne]

I believe you are beeing over pesimistic and sir you are looking down upon the GTVA scientists. We are limited by many things in order to make a workable fusion reactor the GTVA is limited perhaps only by resources.

Also you seem to forget that the Colossus was a joint effort. Also the Deimos has vasudan designed reactors. And im willing to bet that things extend far beyond this or rather what the player hears or sees.

Also a joint effort would make a lot of sense because it would help reduce the workload and the costs  .

Dont get it why ppl believe terrans and vasudans would not work toghether i mean theyve been dooing it for more then 30 years so whats to stop them now?

[Snail]

I believe you are beeing over pesimistic and sir you are looking down upon the GTVA scientists. We are limited by many things in order to make a workable fusion reactor the GTVA is limited perhaps only by resources.

Your not thinking right. We could make a Fenris with lasers and a big engine right now, but it would be exceedingly expensive and we would need a lot of wanking to get things right. Same with the Knossos, it is not just a matter of making it, you have to get it right. Like the GTA could have made micro jump drives for their own fighters for a long time, but they didn't because it wouldn't be worth it and it would have been difficult to get right. It's not Lego; it doesn't work like "Put that piece there, that bit there, that bit over there..." It's way more than just that.

[Mars]

I think the knossos will be a big dividing factor between Terrans and Vasudans, since the Terrans will probably want to pour resorces into it regaurdless of cost and the Zods will probably want to concentrate on other things... like staying alive

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Yeah, I can imagine the Vasudans wanting to build a new home. Something like the Sathanas fleet, but somewhat smaller. Say six or seven ships, superdestroyer-class (its size depends on wether us Terrans help 'em or not). Then one of those ships could be taken over by the HoL and start rebelling...

* FSFreak feels sorry he hasn't got the time for making a campaign

[Snail]

I hate all these "Hammer of Light returns!" stories. Old and cliched.

[Jeff Vader]

I hate all these "Hammer of Light returns!" stories. Old and cliched.

But at least those make partial sense. Was it Renegade Ressurgence, where the NTF and the HOL joined forces and tried to take over the universe. I mean, geez. That would recquire both groups to suddenly and decisively abandon their ideals and just start rampaging around.