[Snail]

So in summary, bigger audience => more incentive to invest time/effort => more intelligent/committed people.

Bigger audience? The Halo community has the largest possible audience and they're a bunch of douchebags.

But the rest makes sense.

[colecampbell666]

So in summary, bigger audience => more incentive to invest time/effort => more intelligent/committed people.

Bigger audience? The Halo community has the largest possible audience and they're a bunch of douchebags.

But the rest makes sense.

Yeah, that they are (most of them). But you'd still get some of the bright ones.

[Snail]

even the bright ones i met couldnt right properley

[Stormkeeper]

The brightest ones probably couldn't be bothered with trying to help an immature community.

[colecampbell666]

even the bright ones i met couldnt right properley

I think that a title is in order.

[Snail]

even the bright ones i met couldnt right properley

I think that a title is in order.

itw as 1nt3nt1on4l i g3ss i shud h4v3 m4d3 1t m0r3 0bviou5.

[haloboy100]

Yes I think you should of.

[General Battuta]

So in summary, bigger audience => more incentive to invest time/effort => more intelligent/committed people.

Bigger audience? The Halo community has the largest possible audience and they're a bunch of douchebags.

But the rest makes sense.

In our defense (as a halo.bungie.org member), I think the proportion of douchebags to mature folk is the same as in other communities. It's just that there are so many more douchebags, because the population is larger. But the mature elements of the Halo community are perfectly sane and reasonable places, every bit as much as HLP (and the fiction analysis is often a bit more cooperative, too.)

Anyway, that's off topic. I apologize -- let's not get derailed.

[colecampbell666]

And this isn't off topic? (what we've been posting)

[Snail]

In our defense (as a halo.bungie.org member), I think the proportion of douchebags to mature folk is the same as in other communities. It's just that there are so many more douchebags, because the population is larger. But the mature elements of the Halo community are perfectly sane and reasonable places, every bit as much as HLP (and the fiction analysis is often a bit more cooperative, too.)

I admit that I did see a few cool (and more importantly intelligent) guys over there, but most of them were like me but unable to write coherently.

[Hades]

In our defense (as a halo.bungie.org member), I think the proportion of douchebags to mature folk is the same as in other communities. It's just that there are so many more douchebags, because the population is larger. But the mature elements of the Halo community are perfectly sane and reasonable places, every bit as much as HLP (and the fiction analysis is often a bit more cooperative, too.)

I admit that I did see a few cool (and more importantly intelligent) guys over there, but most of them were like me but unable to write coherently.

They where Pompous gits?

[Snail]

No, they were p0mpUs g1t5.

[Hades]

No, they were p0mpUs g1t5.

Oooooh okay I see.

[karajorma]

As opposed to people who pick out a single statement from a long and insightful comment and then thread hijack to talk about that?

[IPAndrews]

You know what, I've been visiting this page for seven, possibly eight million years. Right now, if I wanted to update the SCP upgraded version of FS2 I have on my machine, I wouldn't have a clue where to start. I make an educated guess of course, but the idea of having to spend hours trawling through the forums trying to figure out exactly what I need these days and more complexly which version of what I makes me want to fire up Dawn of War and play that instead. Which is a shame because I love Freespace and would really like to play the latest shiniest stable version. 

So thanks to colecampbell for bringing this up, but maybe the title of this thread should be read as a new attitude towards user friendliness, rather than friendliness towards new users. Since veteran users are often in the same boat. That boat is sailing in the dark without a compass.

[General Battuta]

As opposed to people who pick out a single statement from a long and insightful comment and then thread hijack to talk about that?

If that was directed at me, I apologize.

[karajorma]

Actually you tried to re-rail the topic after saying your piece so you're about the only one I wasn't complaining about.

IP, I tend to agree with you. I doubt I'd know how to get hold of FS2 if I weren't so connected with the game myself.

[Turey]

To all the people complaining: I'd just like to point out that you should compare how difficult it is now to how difficult it was pre-2007.

I seriously doubt that I'm ever going to touch the Installer's source code again. There's a couple of reasons for this:
1. It does what it was meant to do: significantly reduce difficulty of installation. There's no point in fixing something that's not broken.
2. That code is ugly. I was just learning Java at the time, so there's a lot of shortcuts that I didn't know about. If I were to write the whole thing from scratch today, I could probably do it in half the lines and twice the readability.
3. I'd gain nothing from updating it. The first time around, it was a wonderful learning experience, but I've already done it once, there's almost nothing to learn from doing it a second time.

That said, I do see some merit in a bare-bones, idiot-proof FSO installer. Perhaps I or someone else could throw one together. If anyone wants to attempt it, I'd happily lend my extensive knowledge of FSO installation to their cause.

[Snail]

Actually you tried to re-rail the topic after saying your piece so you're about the only one I wasn't complaining about.

It was me, wasn't it?

[Polpolion]

Actually you tried to re-rail the topic after saying your piece so you're about the only one I wasn't complaining about.

It was me, wasn't it?

It is now.