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Offline colecampbell666

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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #160 on: July 08, 2008, 10:55:22 am
I think that it's good that the installer is mildly complicated to use, instead of clicking "Next". It forces people to think, and keeps the average IQ of HLP out of the red.
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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #161 on: July 08, 2008, 01:32:11 pm
Quote from: colecampbell666 on July 08, 2008, 10:55:22 am
I think that it's good that the installer is mildly complicated to use, instead of clicking "Next". It forces people to think, and keeps the average IQ of HLP out of the red.

:lol: That's a good thing, right? Since that excludes quite a number of people.
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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #162 on: July 09, 2008, 03:34:47 pm
The Installer isn't the issue... it's ok (aside from the whole necessity of Java unless you want to download a 20MB Windoze version).  I think the issue is the lack of and in-between step after the install and before you run the launcher.  I.E., most installers let you pop up a readme file so you can read more.  That would be handy, put a F.A.Q. section in the readme & stuff.  Also, perhaps have the Installer able to provide a linky to the download page for OpenAL.
 

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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #163 on: July 09, 2008, 03:37:51 pm
Quote from: jr2 on July 09, 2008, 03:34:47 pm
I.E., most installers let you pop up a readme file so you can read more.  That would be handy, put a F.A.Q. section in the readme & stuff.  Also, perhaps have the Installer able to provide a linky to the download page for OpenAL.
Doesn't it do those things? If I am not mistaken, there is some kind of a readme, and it does rant about OpenAL. The issue before was that the Installer informed the user that it also includes the OpenAL installer. People who read too fast or have less than fluent English assumed that OpenAL is installed during the process. Which it wasn't.
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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #164 on: July 09, 2008, 06:01:37 pm
It doesn't have a readme file.  It basically says that you need OpenAL and that's it.  If there were problems during the download, it will mention them there, too.  We need a readme.  =P  3.6.5 had one, IIRC.
 

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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #165 on: July 11, 2008, 07:28:16 pm
I disagree. The Installer, right now, gives the user a huge list of optional components, and then urges them just to select all of them. We're a long way from having the non-technically-minded be able to play FSO, there are still a few too many bugs and steps for that. But you have to acknowledge that the current wall o' options is a tad off-putting, even to people like me, who possess the minimal level of skill needed to operate a computer effectively and not be asking people all the time where something goes when you save it.
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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #166 on: July 11, 2008, 10:29:40 pm
well checking everything does work.....
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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #167 on: July 12, 2008, 12:15:03 am
...and it takes a few hours to download even if you have a fast connection. So I wouldn't do it, especially if I had never played the game before (so I didn't know if I would like it).
 

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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #168 on: July 16, 2008, 11:13:49 pm
Quote from: tinfoil on July 11, 2008, 10:29:40 pm
well checking everything does work.....

That's not the point, the point is that the user has no idea what they're agreeing to, and that's not good. Plus, checking everything gives them a whole bunch of custom campaigns that they may not necessarily want or understand how to use.
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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #169 on: July 17, 2008, 12:40:26 am
The Installer needs to tell the user the size of the components that you can select... the "say yes to all" should display the total size of all the components.
 

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Re: New User Friendliness
Reply #170 on: July 17, 2008, 08:34:01 am
I suggested an overall progress bar besides having a separate one for each file to Turey, but he said it would be complicated.
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