[Snail]

If Colony Wars was so much better than FreeSpace, exactly why are we all still playing it?

[Mobius]

1) I mean that most discussions are about the SCP, custom campaigns and custom mods. Had the storyline been discussed, only, you wouldn't have said the same thing.

2) Colony Wars owns FreeSpace in mission originality, variety of weapons, races and ships and translation. All of my CWs are voice acted in Italian. To be honest I think "took something in exchange" from Colony Wars: CW came before and in both series Sol is cut off from the rest of colonized space.

3) Simple: missions are quite simple and lack that kind of improvement. Many other series base their success on such features.

Snail: FreeSpace owns Colony Wars because it's moddable and has multiplayer missions/campaigns. CW kind of died because it didn't have these things to relying on, it was a PlayStation series.

[Snail]

Ah, it was PlayStation...

[Mobius]

Had FS been for PS it would have died in the same, exact way.

[Jeff Vader]

To be honest I think "took something in exchange" from Colony Wars: CW came before and in both series Sol is cut off from the rest of colonized space.

Actually, FreeSpace borrowed quite a few things. It is a known fact. In addition to Sol being cut off, the Shivans bear some (slight) resemblance to the Nephilim in Wing Commander: Prophecy.

[Snail]

Had FS been for PS it would have died in the same, exact way.

Yeah, console games die easy, moddable games Die Hard™.

[Mobius]

Actually, FreeSpace borrowed quite a few things. It is a known fact. In addition to Sol being cut off, the Shivans bear some (slight) resemblance to the Nephilim in Wing Commander: Prophecy.

Besides CW, where might the "Sol cut off" thing come from?

[Ghostavo]

StarFlight has it and it's from 1986. And I highly doubt it was the first. Being cut off from one's home is not exactly a revolutionary literary concept.

[Droid803]

To be honest I think "took something in exchange" from Colony Wars: CW came before and in both series Sol is cut off from the rest of colonized space.

Actually, FreeSpace borrowed quite a few things. It is a known fact. In addition to Sol being cut off, the Shivans bear some (slight) resemblance to the Nephilim in Wing Commander: Prophecy.

You mean, aside from the SB Nephilims?

[Mobius]

You're right, but causing the collapse of a node isn't quite common...

[Jeff Vader]

To be honest I think "took something in exchange" from Colony Wars: CW came before and in both series Sol is cut off from the rest of colonized space.

Actually, FreeSpace borrowed quite a few things. It is a known fact. In addition to Sol being cut off, the Shivans bear some (slight) resemblance to the Nephilim in Wing Commander: Prophecy.

You mean, aside from the SB Nephilims?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Commander:_Prophecy

[Ghostavo]

You're right, but causing the collapse of a node isn't quite common...

See just about every space related series with some kind of "node" linking systems and you'll see it's more common than you think.

[Mobius]

So how many other examples of a system called Sol separated from the rest because of the collapse of a jump node you know?

[Ghostavo]

So how many other examples of a system called Sol separated from the rest because of the collapse of a jump node you know?

If you want to get specific about it, FreeSpace is the only game where a system called Sol was seperated from the rest because of the collapse of a jump node caused by a race called the Shivans. See, specificity is not exactly a good thing.

Moving on, there is X series where the jump gate to earth was cut off. There are a number of examples in Stargate of... well... stargates being destroyed. Etc...

[Jeff Vader]

Weren't the dudes in EVE Online cut off from Sol as well?

[Ghostavo]

Like I said, it's not exactly something uncommon.

[Mobius]

Getting separated from Sol is generic. If it happens due to the forced collapse of a jump node, well...

The funny thing is that the node collapse in CW1 and, in CW2, the Sol Navy reopens it to fight the Leagueof the Free Worlds...it reminds Inferno. I guess FS3 plans involved something similar.

[Colonol Dekker]

We'll never know so i never worry about it.
Original topic>
I like the FreeSpace engine and Fred has definitely contributed to the games longevity. I like Wing Commander better for one reason IMMERSION. The whole landing-taking off from your carrier makes it more than just a target or an escort. It makes it your home. Also the choice of wingmen each their own character added to the immersion factor for me. If the WC games had FreeSpaces noddability and ease of campaign production. It would be as big.

[Mobius]

Nice comment

's choices about the subject didn't turn to be effective.

[Ghostavo]

The whole landing-taking off from your carrier makes it more than just a target or an escort. It makes it your home.

You weren't pissed off when the Lucifer destroyed the Galatea?