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What sort of ending do you think the GTVA Colossus should have?

Getting beamed to death by the SJ Sathanas while standing still? (Volition canon)
8 (8.9%)
Getting beamed to death by the SJ Sathanas while still attacking it and inflicting some damage?
42 (46.7%)
Getting beamed by the SJ Sathanas but surviving, but still getting scrapped because it took too much damage?
4 (4.4%)
Getting beamed by the SJ Sathanas and surviving, but getting destroyed by the Capella supernova?
12 (13.3%)
Getting beamed by the SJ Sathanas and surviving, as well as assisting in Apocalypse and successfully making the jump to Vega before the supernova?
13 (14.4%)
Getting beamed by the SJ Sathanas and surviving, but getting bombed to death by bombers?
1 (1.1%)
Getting beamed by the SJ Sathanas and surviving, but experiencing death from above in the form of a Shivan warship's beams (including another Sathanas?
5 (5.6%)
Something else?
5 (5.6%)

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Offline TrashMan

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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Never noticed that...Probably because the Sathanas is no positions to fire anything by then...or because I use edited tables to give terran beams more whopass
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Never noticed that...Probably because the Sathanas is no positions to fire anything by then...or because I use edited tables to give terran beams more whopass

You mean like increasing their effective range to 20000m or something like that?
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Actually I made terran & vasudan beams more comparalbe to shivan ones, by tweaking both. Basicely, making shivan ones fire a tad slower and tweaking terran/vasudan ones (making them fire a tad faster, or fire for a bit longer, or extra range or damage...depends on the beam in question)

Shivan beams are still better, but not by a insane margin.
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Is there where the verb 'Trashmanized' comes from?

 

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Trash·man·ize
–verb (used with object) -ized, -iz·ing.

1.   to make something better.
2.   to treat (someone) with a verbal licking.
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3.   To drag someone down to one's level and then beat him/her with experience.
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14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
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14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
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01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
4. to perform a lobotomy on a hated individual

5. to go over something a dozen time until it's *perfect*
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Maybe you're scared of the Shivans and you can't bear their unutterable, alien superiority!

 

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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Shivans have no innovation. They swarm and only get their way through brute force.

Probably in a death count, the ratio of Shivans to the GTVA is 5:1

 

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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Shivans have no innovation. They swarm and only get their way through brute force.

Probably in a death count, the ratio of Shivans to the GTVA is 5:1

Not in FS1.
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Shivans have no innovation. They swarm and only get their way through brute force.

Probably in a death count, the ratio of Shivans to the GTVA is 5:1

Not in FS1.

      Eh, that seems to be what people remember but I disagree on some counts. The Sathanas wasn't only about brute force, they were trying to capture and draw it out in the nebula. Instead it plastered a destroyer and then circumvented most of the forces. In FS1 the shivans are even more cunning, but then again it's a different sort of war. One was an invasion, one was a migration (arguably).

 

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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Shivans have no innovation. They swarm and only get their way through brute force.

Probably in a death count, the ratio of Shivans to the GTVA is 5:1

Precisely how innovative and cunning are you in smashing an anthill? How many novel tactics do you employ?

 

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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Precisely how innovative and cunning are you in smashing an anthill? How many novel tactics do you employ?

Heh heh . . . none . . . if you send in all your pawns to die for you . . .  :p


 

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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
When I first played Their Finest Hour on Insane difficulty, I was genuinely shocked at how fast the Shivans reload their beams. Even the BFRed doesn't suffer the same reload time that the LRBGreen has.
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Probably in a death count, the ratio of Shivans to the GTVA is 5:1
In FreeSpace 1 the Shivans did all sorts of strategic and tactical maneuvers.

Examples:
The planned and well-executed ambush at the cargo depot in Pandora's Box.
Attacking the shield convoy with a massive force (But they were tricked; the first one was only a decoy)
Bringing in the Lucifer when things got ugly (after the Taranis was captured and the GTA/PVN got anti-shield weapons).
Using the Lucifer to attack difficult targets (Outpost Riviera, Tombaugh Station, Beta Aquilae Installation, the Galatea).
Using cargo containers rigged with explosives to make sure their technology wasn't captured again [Shell Game].
Using two fleets to attack Vasuda, forcing the Vasudans to split their forces. [Eva acted stupid in that mission but whatever]
Circumventing the Deneb-Vasuda blockade by using an uncharted Jump Node.

 
Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
In FS 2 they also had a sense of tactics:

-they tried to set up a supply dump when Alpha 1 first met the SC Rakshasa and the Knossos,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they amushed 2 corvettes and a destroyer with the Ravana,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they ambushed the Big 'C' with a Sathanas, killing it quicker than the Lucy was killing that Orion in FS 1,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-and they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front.
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
In FS 2 they also had a sense of tactics:

-they tried to set up a supply dump when Alpha 1 first met the SC Rakshasa and the Knossos,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they amushed 2 corvettes and a destroyer with the Ravana,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they ambushed the Big 'C' with a Sathanas, killing it quicker than the Lucy was killing that Orion in FS 1,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front,
-and they used the 'human wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won WW II on the Eastern Front.


You forgot the 'tank wave', tried and true Soviet tactic that won Kursk on the eastern front.
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
I knew I missed something...
Alright, back to topic maybe?
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
Probably in a death count, the ratio of Shivans to the GTVA is 5:1
In FreeSpace 1 the Shivans did all sorts of strategic and tactical maneuvers.

Examples:
The planned and well-executed ambush at the cargo depot in Pandora's Box.
Attacking the shield convoy with a massive force (But they were tricked; the first one was only a decoy)
Bringing in the Lucifer when things got ugly (after the Taranis was captured and the GTA/PVN got anti-shield weapons).
Using the Lucifer to attack difficult targets (Outpost Riviera, Tombaugh Station, Beta Aquilae Installation, the Galatea).
Using cargo containers rigged with explosives to make sure their technology wasn't captured again [Shell Game].
Using two fleets to attack Vasuda, forcing the Vasudans to split their forces. [Eva acted stupid in that mission but whatever]
Circumventing the Deneb-Vasuda blockade by using an uncharted Jump Node.

That the ambush was planned is totally unproveable. It is entirely possible it was conducted ad-hoc. (For that matter, you're assuming that they created a trap when they had no way of knowing anything would actually come to be trapped by it.)
The Shivans could well have been hitting anything that came out of that installation; indeed it's implied that they are. This would mean they didn't target the shield convoy specifically. (And more to the point, how the hell would they know which convoys to target for that purpose?)
The Lucifer was deployed before this. You mention it in the next line even. Just because it left no survivors... Also you're ascribing to them motives that they may not have had.
At the time Outpost Riviera was attacked, I doubt anything the GTA had would have qualified as a "difficult target" for the Shivans. You're again ascribing to them motives that they may not have had. (Indeed, almost certainly did not at the destruction of the Galatea and the attack on the Beta Aquilae Installation.)
Assuming the cargo wasn't volatile or the objective wasn't simply to sour the GTA/PVN on attempting another capture.
They were expected to use two fleets to attack Vasuda, centered on the Eva and the Lucifer respectively, hence two blockades. They did not in fact do so; they used one fleet, spearheaded by the Eva and Lucifer both.
This may not have been a concious effort to circumvent the blockade, but simply taking the shortest route or for other reasons. Once again, ascribing to them motives they may not have had.
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Re: About the End of the GTVA Colossus...
I can't remember; in FS1 the Shivans were more interested in capturing subspace jump nodes instead of complete dominance of a system?