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In your opinion, just how much energy can they harness?

II
14 (33.3%)
III
7 (16.7%)
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Author Topic: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?  (Read 7285 times)

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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
Yeah, but its still impossible for the GTA/PVN to be any less than 0.72 like Exeunt said...

Did I mention that my estimates always fly off-course? :D
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Offline redsniper

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
Actually, I suppose being able to use ALL of the energy from a planet is a pretty tall order even in 300 years.

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Offline Mars

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
Is it just me or is this a load of bull? No offense, but this scale doesn't make any sense at all; I notice no one is touching my big question here, which makes me think there's no real answer.

This scale will not, and cannot, accurately rate a civilizations technology level, because it does not define how the power is produced in terms of reactions, nor does it define what this power will be utilized for. Beyond that, it assumes a more advanced civilization will use more power.

 

Offline KappaWing

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
Mars and others make a good point. However, its very difficult to come up with a scale to "objectivley" measure the level of development of a civilization.
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Offline ShadowGorrath

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
III - Shivans are god-like.

 

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
If they were God-like, the Lucifer would've reached Earth and obliterated it. :rolleyes:
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Quote: Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 1845hrs UTC, #gaming
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z64555
but does it destroy planets with a turbo laser

 

Offline ShadowGorrath

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
No, Shivans are god-like. The only reason they are stopped, is because Alpha 1 is a god.

 

Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
You've DEFINITELY played too much JAD, Shadow. ;)
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Quote: Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 1845hrs UTC, #gaming
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behold the power of this fully armed and operational recluse

z64555
but does it destroy planets with a turbo laser

 

Offline Topgun

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
the shivans are somewhere between II and III.

 

Offline Polpolion

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
I'd say about a 1.2. :v: did say thay they would have planet sized ships, and they would be kinda hard to make without a planet completely devoted to it, but that's still a long ways off of a dyson sphere or something in terms of difficulty.

 

Offline Aardwolf

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
Like hell. Shivans are less than or equal to 1.

 

Offline KappaWing

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
I'd say about a 1.2. :v: did say thay they would have planet sized ships, and they would be kinda hard to make without a planet completely devoted to it, but that's still a long ways off of a dyson sphere or something in terms of difficulty.

How do you reason a planet sized ship would be easier to build than a Dyson sphere?
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Offline Snail

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
A Dyson sphere is the size of a sun. A planet-sized ship is the size of a planet.

 

Offline KappaWing

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
But a Dyson sphere is merely a loose network of solar satellites. A ship the size of the planet would be incredibly massive and complicated, as it would have the density of a skyscraper.
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Offline Snail

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
No, that's a Dyson swarm, a Dyson sphere is supposed to be something that completely engulfs the star.

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
Indeed. Intended to make sure that every single drop (in theory) of the star's energy output will be harvested.
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Offline KappaWing

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
No, that's a Dyson swarm, a Dyson sphere is supposed to be something that completely engulfs the star.

Ah, I stand corrected.  :)
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
Like hell. Shivans are less than or equal to 1.

Justify this claim.

 

Offline Topgun

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
what if it's a tiny star?

 

Offline redsniper

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Re: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale?
Then it's still HUUUUUUGE.
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