Author Topic: Where are the Shivans on the Kardashev Scale? (Read 11185 times)

Androgeos Exeunt · **Reply #40 on:** October 27, 2008, 09:25:51 pm

Quote from: Droid803 on October 27, 2008, 07:59:01 pm

Yeah, but its still impossible for the GTA/PVN to be any less than 0.72 like Exeunt said...

Did I mention that my estimates always fly off-course?

redsniper · **Reply #41 on:** October 27, 2008, 11:24:07 pm

Actually, I suppose being able to use ALL of the energy from a planet is a pretty tall order even in 300 years.

0.8-0.9

Mars · **Reply #42 on:** October 28, 2008, 12:38:11 am

Is it just me or is this a load of bull? No offense, but this scale doesn't make any sense at all; I notice no one is touching my big question here, which makes me think there's no real answer.

This scale will not, and cannot, accurately rate a civilizations technology level, because it does not define how the power is produced in terms of reactions, nor does it define what this power will be utilized for. Beyond that, it assumes a more advanced civilization will use more power.

KappaWing · **Reply #43 on:** October 28, 2008, 05:51:19 am

Mars and others make a good point. However, its very difficult to come up with a scale to "objectivley" measure the level of development of a civilization.

ShadowGorrath · **Reply #44 on:** October 28, 2008, 07:11:48 am

III - Shivans are god-like.

Androgeos Exeunt · **Reply #45 on:** October 28, 2008, 07:52:04 am

If they were God-like, the Lucifer would've reached Earth and obliterated it.

ShadowGorrath · **Reply #46 on:** October 28, 2008, 07:56:08 am

No, Shivans are god-like. The only reason they are stopped, is because Alpha 1 is a god.

Androgeos Exeunt · **Reply #47 on:** October 28, 2008, 08:03:18 am

You've DEFINITELY played too much JAD, Shadow.

Topgun · **Reply #48 on:** October 28, 2008, 11:36:50 am

the shivans are somewhere between II and III.

Polpolion · **Reply #49 on:** October 28, 2008, 12:17:59 pm

I'd say about a 1.2.

did say thay they would have planet sized ships, and they would be kinda hard to make without a planet completely devoted to it, but that's still a long ways off of a dyson sphere or something in terms of difficulty.

Aardwolf · **Reply #50 on:** October 28, 2008, 01:59:52 pm

Like hell. Shivans are less than or equal to 1.

KappaWing · **Reply #51 on:** October 28, 2008, 04:00:41 pm

Quote from: thesizzler on October 28, 2008, 12:17:59 pm

I'd say about a 1.2. did say thay they would have planet sized ships, and they would be kinda hard to make without a planet completely devoted to it, but that's still a long ways off of a dyson sphere or something in terms of difficulty.

How do you reason a planet sized ship would be easier to build than a Dyson sphere?

Snail · **Reply #52 on:** October 28, 2008, 04:02:05 pm

A Dyson sphere is the size of a sun. A planet-sized ship is the size of a planet.

KappaWing · **Reply #53 on:** October 28, 2008, 04:23:45 pm

But a Dyson sphere is merely a loose network of solar satellites. A ship the size of the planet would be incredibly massive and complicated, as it would have the density of a skyscraper.

Snail · **Reply #54 on:** October 28, 2008, 04:27:37 pm

No, that's a Dyson swarm, a Dyson sphere is supposed to be something that completely engulfs the star.

Jeff Vader · **Reply #55 on:** October 28, 2008, 04:29:17 pm

Indeed. Intended to make sure that every single drop (in theory) of the star's energy output will be harvested.

KappaWing · **Reply #56 on:** October 28, 2008, 04:29:35 pm

Quote from: Snail on October 28, 2008, 04:27:37 pm

No, that's a Dyson swarm, a Dyson sphere is supposed to be something that completely engulfs the star.

Ah, I stand corrected.

Polpolion · **Reply #57 on:** October 28, 2008, 05:12:07 pm

Quote from: Aardwolf on October 28, 2008, 01:59:52 pm

Like hell. Shivans are less than or equal to 1.

Justify this claim.

Topgun · **Reply #58 on:** October 28, 2008, 07:01:15 pm

what if it's a tiny star?

redsniper · **Reply #59 on:** October 28, 2008, 07:49:24 pm

Then it's still HUUUUUUGE.

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