[NGTM-1R]

I meant in real life

Again, if I wanted to watch true to real life show, there's plenty of reality tv out there.

[Scotty]

If they make them too extraordinary, they risk breaking the Willing Suspension of Disbelief, which would kill the rest of the series, really.

And some people want to watch normal people try to cope with monumentally ****ed up situations IN SPACE!

[SpardaSon21]

Damn it.  I just had to click the links.

[Blue Lion]

I meant in real life

Again, if I wanted to watch true to real life show, there's plenty of reality tv out there.

What makes you think reality tv is like real life?

I don't know why people cling to this desire for that kind of sci fi.

The old style of Stargate had zero drama. Almost no one died but Jackson and he never stayed dead. Some of it was really funny but most of it was "Oh no a problem! It'll kill us all if we don't fix it. Oh wait, we fixed it. See you guys next week."

[General Battuta]

Yeah. Old Gate was a bit campy at first and eventually turned into a satire of itself.

[NGTM-1R]

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I didn't ask for the old SG, now did I? You want to argue against the non-straw man maybe?

[General Battuta]

You did earlier accuse him of unfamiliarity with the source material, suggesting that was your metric for comparison.

[NGTM-1R]

Yes, but I did so on a specific subject, the stability and reliablity of the people employed in offworld exploration throughout both previous series, which is not related to overall tone of said series; particularly since tone differed widely.

Unless he's saying SGU is in an alternate universe of Stargate?

[Blue Lion]

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I didn't ask for the old SG, now did I? You want to argue against the non-straw man maybe?

And that would be why I didn't say that. I said "that kind of sci fi" and then gave an example of Stargate because that is what we are talking about.

But we'll talk about that after this quote.

Yes, but I did so on a specific subject, the stability and reliablity of the people employed in offworld exploration throughout both previous series, which is not related to overall tone of said series; particularly since tone differed widely.

Unless he's saying SGU is in an alternate universe of Stargate?

I'm saying I'm glad they took the method of portraying people in the old Stargate shows (among other types) and threw it right out.

These people have no flaws. I personally find that to be the most unrealistic of all (given it's a sci fi theme).

There is no drama with people who handle everything with a smile and witty comment. I want to watch regular people handling some weird sci fi stuff, and no always correctly.

I think this scenario where everyone is perfect like Stargate did was just... well, flawed. I seriously doubt it would ever be like that.

[Liberator]

The issue that most of us are having is that these people are TOO flawed to have been in the situation they were in before they got onto Destiny.

I don't care that Young seems fixated on salvaging his relationship with his wife, at least he's still functional.  3/4 of the people we've seen would be dead 20 sec into a battle with a squad of disposable Jafa or Faceless wraith, because they're virtually catatonic right now.

So far we had half a season, which is what? 8 or 9 episodes?  We've been back to earth for the majority of the episode 5 times out or 8 or 9, which is ridiculous.

Stargate as a franchise was built on exciting situations in alien environments with semi-predictable, verbose, over the top villains.  It was popular because it was a comic book on television.  Now you've taken away my comic book and handed me a psychological thriller with no murders, violence, scary situations and precious few thrills and told me it's better.  When there's no heroes and no real villains, you don't have drama, you have people standing around talking about the weather or in the case of SG:U, people hiding in a dark corner crying about some childhood trauma.

So far my reaction to the whole thing is 

[General Battuta]

I hate to tell you this, but in real life, 3/4 of people would be dead 20 seconds into an encounter with a squad of Jaffa or Wraith.

[MR_T3D]

The issue that most of us are having is that these people are TOO flawed to have been in the situation they were in before they got onto Destiny.

I don't care that Young seems fixated on salvaging his relationship with his wife, at least he's still functional.  3/4 of the people we've seen would be dead 20 sec into a battle with a squad of disposable Jafa or Faceless wraith, because they're virtually catatonic right now.

So far we had half a season, which is what? 8 or 9 episodes?  We've been back to earth for the majority of the episode 5 times out or 8 or 9, which is ridiculous.

Stargate as a franchise was built on exciting situations in alien environments with semi-predictable, verbose, over the top villains.  It was popular because it was a comic book on television.  Now you've taken away my comic book and handed me a psychological thriller with no murders, violence, scary situations and precious few thrills and told me it's better.  When there's no heroes and no real villains, you don't have drama, you have people standing around talking about the weather or in the case of SG:U, people hiding in a dark corner crying about some childhood trauma.

So far my reaction to the whole thing is 

indeed, SG-1 was awesome, hell,, even seasons 9 and 10 were better than the spinoffs.
I'd have liked to see more from danny boy and vala..? (Claudia Black's character)'s characters developing..
yeah, who cleared these people to even know about SGC, let alone go off-world..?

[Colonol Dekker]

Someone needs to summarise the plot. I gave up after literally five minutes of poor quality CGI and bad military props/uniform.

[Fury]

There's no such thing. What you saw in first five minutes is pretty much all the plot we have so far. Awesome, innit?

[Colonol Dekker]

Voyager SGC?
 
That. Is. Pony.

[SpardaSon21]

That's part of the problem with SGU.  There's no enemy for the crew of the Destiny to fight, so all we are left with is angsty moaning.  At least BSG had the Cylons to unite and motivate the characters.

[Liberator]

Exactly.

Right now they're only "enemies" are hunger, thirst and breathing.  All very nebulous and while universal, they can't taunt you or manipulate the situation.

[Blue Lion]

The issue that most of us are having is that these people are TOO flawed to have been in the situation they were in before they got onto Destiny.

Like what? I've been watching the show and I don't really see any major flaws.

I don't care that Young seems fixated on salvaging his relationship with his wife, at least he's still functional.  3/4 of the people we've seen would be dead 20 sec into a battle with a squad of disposable Jafa or Faceless wraith, because they're virtually catatonic right now.

Considering most of them are civilians, that makes a lot of sense.

But you're mad the soldiers aren't at the ready? Against who? They're on a ship in the middle of nowhere with zero to do.

What are the soldiers supposed to be doing on this ship?

Stargate as a franchise was built on exciting situations in alien environments with semi-predictable, verbose, over the top villains.  It was popular because it was a comic book on television.  Now you've taken away my comic book and handed me a psychological thriller with no murders, violence, scary situations and precious few thrills and told me it's better.  When there's no heroes and no real villains, you don't have drama, you have people standing around talking about the weather or in the case of SG:U, people hiding in a dark corner crying about some childhood trauma.

So far my reaction to the whole thing is  

That is exactly what I want. I don't want villains and heroes.

I got tired of watching Carter, O'neill Teal'c, Jackson and whoever never lose, never die, nothing. They do everything right and everything turns out well at the end. That's why they had to keep ramping up the bad guys all the time. They ended the first show by practically beating gods. I guess all in a days work, right? I got tired of watching the same half dozen people kick the ass of an advanced race or teaching pseudo medieval cultures all about modern society.

I'm not sure what you guys want. Them to get control of the ship and fly around shooting funny looking aliens?

These are the people I expect to see on projects because these are the people we see every day. Brilliant scientists with antisocial behavior. Soldiers with no one to fight.

That was what I hated about Stargate. No one suffered from stress, or was scared.

A top level project? I expect ambitious jerks looking for ways to move up the ladder. Antisocial people who are brilliant at what they do but are so neurotic can't interact with others well. People dealing with withdrawl from things like caffeine or nicotine.

Does everyone have to have these? No. Do they all have to be there? No. But this military complex of people that never make mistakes or have flaws is boring and in my opinion just not real. You can't create a perfect team like that.

[Liberator]

And that's all well and good, but why aren't there at least one or two besides Eli that aren't handling the situation poorly.  I don't mind that they're imperfect, it's just that they ALL so damned imperfect it's like watching greatest hits from the psych ward.

[SpardaSon21]

I seriously hope they lose the Ancient communication stones.  There's a lot less drama when they can just phone home to Earth whenever they want.  I would greatly prefer it if the crew of the Destiny were on their own.