[AugustusVarius]

What about beam cannons? Terran beams are more powerful, and they have the Mjolnir.

While I'll grant you the Mjolnir, I thought Vasudan beams were more powerful compared to their Terran counterparts.

[DarthWang]

BFGreen and LRBGreen beg to disagree

Also Terrans are overall better when it comes to sentry guns

[AugustusVarius]

But BFGreen and LRBGreen don't have Vasudan counterparts.  BVas > BGreen in damage per minute (due to shorter recharge time), SVas > SGreen in well... everything, and VSlash > TerSlash in damage.

[DarthWang]

But the fact is that the BFGreen and LRBGreen exist

Terrans also have the Hades

[Hades]

Terrans also have the Hades

Well they had me, but I was destroyed by some bombers and a single Fenris. It was so embarrassing, That's why I'm missing the last part of my username.

[DarthWang]

Terrans also have the Hades

Well they had me, but I was destroyed by some bombers and a single Fenris. It was so embarrassing, That's why I'm missing the last part of my username.

STR fixes that

[Hades]

Despite the quality difference, ST:R is not canon, the original campaign is.

[AugustusVarius]

But the fact is that the BFGreen and LRBGreen exist

Terrans also have the Hades

The Hades uses Shivan technology, and all I'm saying is that where there are counterparts, the Vasudan beams are better.  We can extrapolate that if the BFGreen and LRBGreen had Vasudan counterparts, the Vasudan ones would outperform the Terran ones.

[Droid803]

But the fact remains that there aren't counterparts.
And the BFGreen is simply the BGreen being overcharged.

Perhaps Vasudan beams don't respond as kindly to being overcharged.

[Hades]

But the fact remains that there aren't counterparts.
And the BFGreen is simply the BGreen being overcharged.

Perhaps Vasudan beams don't respond as kindly to being overcharged.

Or perhaps it's more of a case of the Vasudans not having a ship which mounts their beams and can as safely overcharge them like the Colossus.

[Shivan Hunter]

Saying that the BFGreen and LRBGreen have no counterparts is like saying that the Colossus doesn't have a Vasudan counterpart. They might well be a joint project in epic beamzorz firepowahzorzzzz up to over 9000.

[Nohiki]

Ok, and just how many ships use BFGreen/LRBGreen? Only colossus in one mission and it fried his fire control Not a good thing imho. Few more shots and the colossus won't be able to fire a single salvo. And yes, Hades is far from terran technology.

[Hades]

Saying that the BFGreen and LRBGreen have no counterparts is like saying that the Colossus doesn't have a Vasudan counterpart. They might well be a joint project in epic beamzorz firepowahzorzzzz up to over 9000.

...Except it's not the same thing. The Colossus is a hybrid bastard from both races which normally uses BGreens, and BFGreens and LRBGreens are just overcharged bgreens.

[Mobius]

But the fact remains that there aren't counterparts.
And the BFGreen is simply the BGreen being overcharged.

Perhaps Vasudan beams don't respond as kindly to being overcharged.

The Vasudans know how to build and mantain reactors. I wouldn't underestimate their capacity to do the unexpectable in battle.

[Colonol Dekker]

The abiity to fleeeeeeeeeeeeee wearing nothing but their pantsless armour.

That or have the PVD Pinnacles engine stall............................

[Nohiki]

If i recall correctly then in argonautica it was the Aquitaine that wasn't moving and it made it out in rough shape as well

[Colonol Dekker]

Zod reactor

[Nohiki]

no matter. In both cases the engines were blown to bits by weapon fire if i remember correctly. But while we are at reactors, then "piece of junk" detonators were able to breach the core of 80% reactors mounted on herc II

[Timerlane]

Don't forget that the Vasudans had to rebuild their fleet from the ground up to support beams in the first place(only a few modified Typhons still being in existence). One would think they'd give a lot of attention to the reason they had to rebuild their fleet, while for all we can tell, the Terrans got to just plug in their new beams and go(I'm sure there were power and cooling system updates, but there's no mention of new reactors or such).

Given that modern Vasudan reactors are also generally considered to be superior(Deimos fluff, and pretty clearly accepted fanon), I'd probably bet that Hatshepsuts are more likely to be able to 'BFVas' their cannons than upgraded Orions would be able to BFGreen theirs. It might make sense that, being newer, the Hecate could BFGreen its sole BGreen, but we recently discussed that to death.

[Mobius]

But if you took a look at all tech descriptions, you'd notice that, for example, Terrans are willing to base their fleets on Deimos corvettes and retire all cruisers from service (Fenris, Leviathan = old, Aeolus = produced in limited numbers) while the Vasudans will normally use Mentus and Sobeks. Also, it's quite weird how the Hatshepsut has pretty much replaced the Typhon at the time of FS2 while the Hecate can be rarely found in Terran fleets due to its young age.

Oddities...