[NGTM-1R]

They got maced in August, but Fred's been wearing a Kevlar vest for nearly a decade at his public appearances.

[BloodEagle]

They got maced in August, but Fred's been wearing a Kevlar vest for nearly a decade at his public appearances.

Okay, so they don't accidentally aim quite so low.  Problem solved. 

[StarSlayer]

They got maced in August, but Fred's been wearing a Kevlar vest for nearly a decade at his public appearances.

Okay, so they don't accidentally aim quite so low.  Problem solved. 

I dunno can Kevlar stop 7.62mm from an M-14?

[General Battuta]

Nope.

[Bobboau]

or a 42 cal sniper round aimed at the head

[Mustang19]

Kevlar has done quite well against point blank AK 47 hits. I wouldn't be so sure an M14 will be enough. But a headshot should do the trick.

[StarSlayer]

My ballistics knowledge is pretty layman's but the M-14 is considered a 'battle rifle' rather than an assault rifle like the AK.  I'm under the impression is punch is more substantial than the later.

[Scotty]

Wat no.

It's the caliber that's important (and powder load, and materials used in the bullet and chamber, but whatever), not what you call the rifle.

That said, the M14 is a 150 gr, 7.62x51 mm cartridge, whereas the AK-47 is a 123 gr, 7.62x39 cartridge.  Important to remember that grains (gr) is the weight of the entire bullet and cartridge, not the amount of powder in the cartridge.

That said, the M14 will indeed outperform the AK-47 against kevlar.

EDIT:  It's called a 'battle rifle' instead of an assault rifle because assault rifles by definition have to be selective fire.  The M14 is exclusively semi-automatic, unless you mess around with the feed mechanism.

[StarSlayer]

"A battle rifle is a military service rifle that fires a full power rifle cartridge, such as 7.62x51mm NATO."

[General Battuta]

"A battle rifle is a military service rifle that fires a full power rifle cartridge, such as 7.62x51mm NATO."

Yeah pretty much this. Didn't the G3 have full auto?

EDIT: yeah it did, the BR/AR distinction is not based on stuff like that to my knowledge? Always got the sense it was more of a range and cartridge size thing.

edit2: oh the FN FAL too.

[StarSlayer]

The M-14 was full auto when it originally entered US service.  They wanted it to replace the BAR, Grease Gun and Garand, the thing was a beast to lug around though and military thought swung towards the lighter high rate of fire weapons like the M-16.  Course with the desert/urban warfare today the DMR is getting traction the M-14s and its variants are coming back.

[Scotty]

Okay, my definition was erroneous.

[Mustang19]

Good points. I think an armor piercing round fired at close range will penetrate the body armor of any lawyer, even with ceramic inserts.

[Titan]

Guys... stop. Now. Don't sink to their level. 

[BengalTiger]

My ballistics knowledge is pretty layman's but the M-14 is considered a 'battle rifle' rather than an assault rifle like the AK.  I'm under the impression is punch is more substantial than the later.

Having shot both an AK and an M-14, I can assure anyone who has any doubt:
The M-14 feels stronger than an AK.

Also, since the thread went from topic to guns:


Left to right: 9x19 mm Parabellum, 5.56x45 NATO (M4), 7.62x39 (AK-47), 7.62x51 NATO (M14), AA Battery (wireless mouse).

The 9 mm has about 0.7 kJ of muzzle energy, the 5.56 gets to about 1.8 kJ, the 7.62x39 has some 2 kJ, and the 7.62 NATO reaches up to 3.5 kJ

P.S. If anyone has a .50 cal BMG case or even a whole unfired round, feel free to post a pic next to an AA battery. Those are big f***ers.

[NGTM-1R]

Will you settle for an AA battery next to an expended 5"/54 casing?

[Solatar]

Clearly a headshot would avoid the hassle entirely.

[NGTM-1R]

Will you settle for an AA battery next to an expended 5"/54 casing?

For the record, I'm not joking here, I could arrange that.

[Mongoose]

* Mongoose kind of wonders about a bullet discussion breaking out in a thread about a mass shooting

[NGTM-1R]

* Mongoose kind of wonders about a bullet discussion breaking out in a thread about a mass shooting

Your honor, I submit that we are evil, horrible, people here on The Internet.

Have the police made any progress on this supposed maybe sorta accomplice? I haven't been able to find any mention of him in more recent news postings.