[killadonuts]

It gets real sad when the lies get mixed in with government.
Name one government that is NOT a Theocracy in some way.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by beatspete

(dunno why i am attacking spain)

because they deserve it?

and BTW: our coins don't look the same.

Every Euro-nation has it's own coins: only one side is the same all over the euro-zone, the other side is national.

Only the paper (monopoly) money is the same.

[killadonuts]

BTW this is the best thread I have ever posted on!
Very Entertaining!!!

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by killadonuts

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Conformity=Heaven  
Resistance=Hell  
Thats their basic message as I percieve it.

Now that goes for every religion out there. So stop bashing the Catholic Church only. The protestant and reformist religions aren't better. And neither are the more exotic religions.

[killadonuts]

Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80


Now that goes for every religion out there. So stop bashing the Catholic Church only. The protestant and reformist religions aren't better. And neither are the more exotic religions.

Each religion has its own version of Heaven and Hell. I'm speaking of Religion in general.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by beatspete
For example, it take money from britain, then gives it to spain so the spannish can build roads.  Then it takes Spain's money and gives it back to spain so they can build even more roads.

To be fair pete, there's no more room for roads in Sunny Enger-land. If they try to add any more lanes onto the M25 it'll be in my house. And I live near Milton Keynes.

The EU also means that imigrants who are living in France and getting hassle for it, can come to britain where the goverment is too politcally correct to get turn them down.[/b]

Have you seen the language the government has been using recently? About "swamping" by immigrants? That's Thatcher language, and shows that everything has moved to the right as a result of the bloody woman. The main reason that there are still so many immigrants here is that even the failed ones still come from places like Iraq, with which there are no diplomatic relations and will not accept "Western-tainted" citizens.

Besides, economic migrants are essential to the economy - not only in terms of professionals like doctors. Who here grows up aspiring to work in Burger King? Well, the immigrants make sure you don't have to.

The EU wants to get rid of proper coins, and replace them with ones that all look the same, kind of like american ones. Maybee they dont like the Queen.[/b]

Really? Who doesn't? I got a sticker today saying "celebrate the Queen's Golden Jubilee". Needless to say, I won't. In fact, I'm working because they'll pay me £13.00 per hour.

On the subject of pounds, why are people so attached to a currency that has in its present form existed for about 30 years? That's peanuts compared to the Franc or even the troubled Deutschmark.

The EU means british farmers (who have lots of expenses to pay) loose out trade to some spannish farmers because it cost them less to produce food.[/b]

And they all get the CAP, which represents 2/3rds of the whole EU budget per year. Farmers deserve no sympathy.

Oh and you can cross the border without showing a passport or filling any forms in like the US has.[/b]

Hurrah! You have no idea how convenient this is for everyone.

I realise this went somewhat OT but I felt like it. And yes, the EU is an undemocratic, unanswerable, bureaucratic apparatus of state at the moment and I don't advocate pan-European government just yet (though eventually, yes). But as an economic community, I have no problems with it at all really. Except maybe losing control of monetary policy.

[Zeronet]

Protestants believe faith is enough for eternal life, they dont believe in helping others like we do.

[Zeronet]

Bah Euro, "G_D save the pound!"

[Kellan]

And Stryke: your post near the top of the page was the best thing I've read all day, and the reason I don't associate myself too closely with Atheism. Thank you for your articulate pearls of wisdom.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Protestants believe faith is enough for eternal life, they dont believe in helping others like we do.

And yet they still do. Besides, as Top Gun said, if the Pope can afford a bulletproof glass limo, he's got too much money.

Once again I ask, "why the pound?" - staying out of the Euro has some definite economic costs, political costs in terms of commitment to Europe, and besides, Euro coins look Cool.

And I hate the monarchy.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by killadonuts

Each religion has its own version of Heaven and Hell. I'm speaking of Religion in general.

Wrong again. Not every religion has a hell, or a heaven.

[Stryke 9]

Thanks, Kellan.

Even though that emoticon still looks like it's yawning or drunk...

Zero: I wouldn't generalize. "Protestant" pretty much is any Christian who doesn't call themselves Catholic- that's Jehova's Witnesses and Quakers and people who believe that lettuce is pod people from Mars come to eat our brains. Many of the most significant proselytizing and charity groups are Protestant.


And how did this get from religion to the EU?

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80


Wrong again. Not every religion has a hell, or a heaven.

Yeah, like Buddism with it's Nirvana (right? or is that Hindu?) and reincarnation...

[killadonuts]

Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80


Wrong again. Not every religion has a hell, or a heaven.

That's not really what I meant.  I meant that religions have some kind of tremendously bad thing that happens if you don't conform.
Exactly the opposite if you chose to follow the religion: Something tremendously good will happen--Like Heaven and finally seeing God...yadda yadda yadda

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
I was referring to putting excessive faith in scientific theorems and instruments.

Excess can ruin anything. Science is no different in this regard.

And you're ignoring that, in the "church of science" you're proposing, "faith" by definition has no place. The scientific method rules it right out. Everything must be proven, repeatedly, by multiple parties, to gain acceptance. And even then they're still open to question.

Already much of last year's revolutionary new discovery often turns out to be this year's laughable junk

So? New theories are always getting proposed and tossed out. That's how science works. This is a GOOD thing.

And overall, even finding new universal theories and novel ways of thinking about the Universe doesn't mean we've come any closer to understanding it.

But mapping out the local structure of the universe sure doesn't hurt.

[killadonuts]

Originally posted by CP5670


Well, the alternative to civilization is anarchism, which leads to a standstill in terms of progress. I think that the global state is merely a logical continuation of the social advance of our civilization, one that will eventually culminate in a complete cognitive unity by means of technology. The EU is merely a small step towards that end.

Yes eventually. But I bet theres not a human alive today that will ever see it happen.

[CP5670]

Regarding different religions, my take on this is that all of the Semite religions (Judaism, the various forms of Christianity, and Islam) share the same general philosophy that I am criticizing here, although it is not limited to them either. There is a god who is basically a human, a prophet of god to spread his "message," and a book of god that contains the answer to all of man's problems. I would say that a few of the Eastern religions (Buddhism and Hinduism) are somewhat better because the ideas that they started off with at least allowed for some freedom of thought (the basis of all science), but over the years they have become even more dogmatic than the Semite ones and should be thrown out as well.

Bah Euro, "G_D save the pound!"

Doubt he will, as there is no reason to.

So? New theories are always getting proposed and tossed out. That's how science works. This is a GOOD thing.

Yes eventually. But I bet theres not a human alive today that will ever see it happen.

Of course, we are dealing with several tens of millennia at the very least, possibly much longer. This is where we start to look at ourselves as a true civilization, which can in theory last perpetually, and not as merely a group of short-lived humans.

BTW this is the best thread I have ever posted on!  
Very Entertaining!!!  

You got that right. I also think that this is probably the best thread ever on any board I have seen.

On a side note, who is this Thatcher? I should be knowing about this, but I unfortunately have not followed contemporary European politics too closely. (I'm more into Asian politics, where all the governments are messed up )

[Kellan]

Thatcher was the British Prime Minister 1979 - 1993. Very free market and quite right-wing - counts General Pinochet among her friends.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by killadonuts

That's not really what I meant.  I meant that religions have some kind of tremendously bad thing that happens if you don't conform.
Exactly the opposite if you chose to follow the religion: Something tremendously good will happen--Like Heaven and finally seeing God...yadda yadda yadda

That explains it better.

still, not every religion has the concept. Although I have to say that most of these religions are either gone or have changed.

[HotSnoJ]

Unknown Target
Srry, but I had to get this off my chest:

What's yours, what do you think of it, where do you think it originated.


Personally, I think Christianity, Islam, Budhism, etc, are all fakes. Now, before I get flamed to death here, can I explain my points?

OK, it's quite simple, actually. Religion, or at least the way we practice it, was imagined, created, and is followed by humans. Now, unless you're a god, you will make mistakes, as you are human!!!
Therefore, have you ever wondered why science so frequently clashes with religion, or, more specifically, with the bible? It's because, in my opinion, since the bible was written by human hands, it has changed, morphed, and downright differed, from the originall stories. As Ibn Buttuta was forced to right down his travels, he emblemished, and, so has this happened to the bible over time.
For instance, if you don't believe me, look through the news archives, and you'll see that they're coming out with a politically correct version!!!
So, basically, the scandal with the pope? I do not believe that this should meen the end of the religion. No, the pope, and the members in his employ, are humans, and, therefore, are subject to mistake.
Truly, the only being fit to lead a religion and pray to God is God himself.....

EDIT: I know I'm probably going to be banned for this...

This is what I first responded to in this tread.

I'll say this again. Everything that is in my article is based on fact. Look at it! How could it have know that the earth was in space(Job 26)? Or how could it know that there are springs in the deep (Job 38:16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?")?  There are other examples, AND I WILL FIND THEM!

I ask you, "Is there anything evolving today? Can we see anything evolving today?" Well if things did evolve then how come we can't see any of them evolving now? Like half bird and half something else.

Did you know that evolution hasn't been proven?! Ya, it is still just a theory. There is not rock hard evidence to back it up.