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Offline Marcov

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Hmmm...

They're not as mysterious as I thought. These seemingly were merely the "raw" ingredients and not the final plans for FS3 or the final answer to the Shivans' existence, so can they be considered canon facts?

...so the Shivans are simply super-Ancients. Amusing...

...but apparently less interesting.  :blah:

Still, what happens to Bosch remains unanswered. :sigh:

Mind if I ask who had been interviewed?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2011, 11:16:15 am by Marcov »
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Hmmm...

They're not as mysterious as I thought. These seemingly were merely the "raw" ingredients and not the final plans for FS3 or the final answer to the Shivans' existence, so can they be considered canon facts?

...so the Shivans are simply super-Ancients. Amusing...

...but apparently less interesting.  :blah:

Still, what happens to Bosch remains unanswered. :sigh:

Mind if I ask who had been interviewed?

Jason Scott, lead writer on FS2.

And I don't think you're reading it right, or that you understand what the intent here is at all.

 

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Glad he cleared up some of the things definitively to you guys.

Some of us, of course, knew all of this beforehand (and actually know a bit more).

Good job Bat.

well don't be a tease

Some of us who were around while the developers actually played the game (having played squadwars and matches with them) picked up masses of stuff from them. Though many of the things they told us were in confidence, but even as such, hypothetical anyway (general directions, they didn't have much of the stuff bolted down either).

Throughout the years discussing different ideas with the community, you sort of find out that people in general aren't interested in what makes sense, just that their own interpretation and deduction be correct, ie "No, it's the way I envision it to be". And as I would never be able to directly state "it's like this, this and this", anything I say just passes off as my own opinion, and I never expose the weight of what I know behind them. I've carried many people's secrets throughout these past 13 years, and have no intention of ever breaking the seal on any of them. Neither am I interested in shopping my opinions as being correct either. They're still just opinions, although perhaps with a little more information behind them than most have access to.

But I'm glad he let the cat out of the bag on some of it (though he's pretty smart, he didn't really tell you much of anything vital - not that it matters anyway, because if they ever got to the point where they'd create an FS3, it would be entirely different than what was envisioned all those years ago [think franchise reboot, new staff members, wholly new ideas from the new members, etc.]), so that you guys can get some general direction. It means more when you can show it comes from the horses mouth.

Again, kudos on the job.

 
Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
If the ideas are never going to be used, what's the harm in telling us them?
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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
What's said here fits pretty close with what a lot of us have been thinking for years:

The Shivans create/destroy nodes using Sathanas fleets.

"Shivan town" being some sort of Dyson grid around stars.

An interesting take might be the Shivans destroying life out of a 'conservation protocol' for the heat death of the universe. Destroying stars to reconfigure the subspace network to an optimum. (destroying stars like Capella draws in energy from subspace to stave off entropy or somesuch)

Wiping out sentients that reach the capacity to threaten the grand design (subspace technology and ability to destroy nodes).

Some technologies like the Knossos or use of meson bombs would garner their wrath more than others.

Things such as splitting main sequence stars into smaller dwarfs would be an additional 'threat' if the Shivans had stripped down their entire culture towards attempting to survive heat death.

Effectively they wipe out species who have subspace technology, reconfigure the nodes with some novas, and then spread "Shivantown" by turning the stars into slow burning red dwarves and making dyson grids.

They've been at it for millions, if not billions, of years and perhaps the trick the GTVA learns is that this is the "Shivan master plan" and how to keep themselves and other species alive is to do strikes once and a while, blow up some grids and stars, and keep the Shivans off-kilter. You can never truly defeat them, but you can actively contain them with constantly having to rebuild "Shivantown."

Perhaps ETAK plays a role in learning that the Shivans don't have a hive mind or a real society, they're just enacting these ancient practices (religious nuts?). ETAK perhaps being used to disrupt Shivan organization with the deep strikes, and they can't adapt since they no longer innovate/have a real culture.

The main thing being that the GTVA has amassed the cumulative knowledge of all of the Ancients who came before, learned how to cooperate, and becomes the first species to break the cycle.

In my mind I've always thought of the Sathanas as being like a Faustus. So perhaps seeing the true extent of the Shivan fleet and how to win is through subtlety and trickery becomes the goal. (as opposed to FS2 where they tried to win on even terms)
« Last Edit: March 07, 2011, 04:36:18 pm by Ace »
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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Cool.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Cool.

Keep rockin' the RPS comments threads

 
Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Well, it's good to hear from a  :v: member. Really does put some more information on Shivans and what they are up to rather than them being mass murdurers for no apparent reason. Heh, guess we'll have to wait and see what will happen.

 

Offline Polpolion

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Curious: How many of you are actually taking the FS3ish type stuff as canon material? IMHO it's all really interesting to see what was planned, but to be honest using this stuff as more than a "so that's what would've happened in FS3" seems silly.

 

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
You know. It's nice and all, but imagine how cool job it must be a Shivan Nodebuilder/destroyer. All the Shivan kids want to be one.

- "Hey kid, what do you want to be when you grow up?"
- "I want to be a Nodebuilder!"
- "How so?"
- "Because I get to blow up planets and stars!"
Habeeb it...

 

Offline Mars

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
You know. It's nice and all, but imagine how cool job it must be a Shivan Nodebuilder/destroyer. All the Shivan kids want to be one.

- "Hey kid, what do you want to be when you grow up?"
- "I want to be a Nodebuilder!"
- "How so?"
- "Because I get to blow up planets and stars!"

Great except that you also blow up yourself

 

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Just a pesky occupational hazard.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Great except that you also blow up yourself

Only some of the time.
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Offline Marcov

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Hmm...hope he really intends to develop the plot for FS3...
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

  

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Hmm...hope he really intends to develop the plot for FS3...

No, he doesn't, I have no idea where you got that idea, and your posts are terrible.

 

Offline Marcov

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
Volition plans to make an FS3. Or perhaps he doesn't have anything to do with it?

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your posts are terrible.

Well I think I got wronged for the first part, but my previous post was nothing more of an opinion to the subject. Perhaps you find my not-so-optimistic reply pretty irritating for you, especially for the fact that most members replying in this thread thanked you for doing it, yet I, so far, did not. If you like, I'll do it for you.
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
I don't really give a ****, I just think you're contributing nothing because you don't understand what's going on.

 

Offline Marcov

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
I didn't intend to contribute in any way in my previous post, just merely state an opinion on the topic.

So if Shivanity is really all that bad, just how are the Terrans and Vasudans supposed to attack and probably destroy Shivantown?
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
I don't believe that's on the table.

I think at best we can convince the Shivans we're too much trouble to wipe out.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Re: AT LAST, THE TRUTH: Volition's Answers to the Shivans, Bosch, and Capella
We need to become rats in the walls, man!