[Beowulf45]

I once heard that there is a bonus beam cannon that you can knock out in the mission Bearbaiting. If that is true, where is it?
I have searched the forum, but was unsuccessful.

[Fineus]

There is - can't remember which though.

[Razor]

It is the only L-RED cannon that SJ has. It is located at the rear of the ship just above the main engines. If you look for it in FRED2, you may get a better clue where it is.

[beatspete]

Originally posted by Beowulf45
I once heard that there is a bonus beam cannon that you can knock out in the mission Bearbaiting. If that is true, where is it?
I have searched the forum, but was unsuccessful.

Yip, see what Razor said.
Do the Bonus goals give you more points?  I've looked at the campaign missions in FRED and they dont seem to.

[karajorma]

You don`t get any more points for bonus objectives but they do give you boasting rights in the mess hall.  

[Stryke 9]

'Fact, I don't think you get points PERIOD unless you kill the thing...

[Beowulf45]

Don't you get promotions through the bonus and secondary objectives that you complete?

[Redfang]

A good tactic (I guess) is to order wingmen to destroy that rear beam cannon, and you destroy others.
 

Originally posted by Beowulf45
Don't you get promotions through the bonus and secondary objectives that you complete?

 
You get promotions by score.

[CP5670]

'Fact, I don't think you get points PERIOD unless you kill the thing...

In the following mission, High Noon, I tend to fire off a few Helios bombs at the Sathanas; the only other things damaging the juggernaut are the Colossus beams, and beams do not count for kill points, so I always end up getting the 10000-point kill.

A good tactic (I guess) is to order wingmen to destroy that rear beam cannon, and you destroy others.

Yes, that is what I do. The wingmen get blown up too fast in the front area to do any appreciable damage, so I just send a wing to the rear area. (while the other two cover me)

[Beowulf45]

Usually what I do is to tell Beta wing to ignore the Sathanas, attack everything else, and in a pinch, to cover me. Then I tell Alpha and Delta to take out one of the flak cannons and I take out the other when I'm done with the main cannons. Most of the time, it works. But, this way, I can't get the bonus cannon.

[Razor]

Originally posted by Beowulf45
Usually what I do is to tell Beta wing to ignore the Sathanas, attack everything else, and in a pinch, to cover me. Then I tell Alpha and Delta to take out one of the flak cannons and I take out the other when I'm done with the main cannons. Most of the time, it works. But, this way, I can't get the bonus cannon.

When you are done with flaks and forward beams, hit the burners to max. Use the ETS ( energy transfer system) to maximaze power to the engines, rush to the back of the SJ, find the beam, hit afterburner and fire! With afterburner, you accelerate the Helios to a very high speed which is very usefull since the SJ is mooving quite fast for its size.

[Redfang]

Originally posted by Razor


When you are done with flaks and forward beams, hit the burners to max. Use the ETS ( energy transfer system) to maximaze power to the engines, rush to the back of the SJ, find the beam, hit afterburner and fire! With afterburner, you accelerate the Helios to a very high speed which is very usefull since the SJ is mooving quite fast for its size.

That's hard. I don't remember have I ever managed to do it so. It takes enough time to destroy forward beams and flak, but then if you have to fly almost 6km to get to rear there usually isn't enough time.
 

Originally posted by CP5670


In the following mission, High Noon, I tend to fire off a few Helios bombs at the Sathanas; the only other things damaging the juggernaut are the Colossus beams, and beams do not count for kill points, so I always end up getting the 10000-point kill.

 

 
But, don't you have to do at least 20% damage (don't remember) to get the kill?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Redfang
But, don't you have to do at least 20% damage (don't remember) to get the kill?

If CP5670 is correct beam damage doesn`t count towards overall damage so the game just adds up the damage you did to the sathanas Vs the amount did by other bombers.

I always did wonder why I`d been given a kill for the sath in High Noon. I just thought the game must have given them out for everyone involved

Think I`m going to play those two missions again

[Redfang]

Originally posted by karajorma


If CP5670 is correct beam damage doesn`t count towards overall damage so the game just adds up the damage you did to the sathanas Vs the amount did by other bombers.

 
Yes, he is correct. I thought that you would have to take out 20% of the ship's hull (200 000 hit points in case of Sathanas) to get the kill, but it seems that it's so like you said.

[killadonuts]

I get promoted every time I play this mission.
I never heard about no Bonus Beam Cannon

[Beowulf45]

I don't really know how to use the FRED2 anyway, though I tried, and I couldn't find where that LRed beam turret is. The program says that it's the 51st turret, though I have know idea where that is.

[LtNarol]

Objectives can give you points if they are set up that way in Fred, as can events.  Promotions can be either done with points or an event can give you a promotion, just like a medal.  As for that Sathanas, i managed to completely disarm it once...that took forever.  Then enemy fighters did get somewhat annoying though

[Nuclear1]

Originally posted by Beowulf45
I don't really know how to use the FRED2 anyway, though I tried, and I couldn't find where that LRed beam turret is. The program says that it's the 51st turret, though I have know idea where that is.

Press K with a ship targeted so you can cycle through the ship's turrets (yes, even in FRED2)

[Razor]

Originally posted by killadonuts
I get promoted every time I play this mission.
I never heard about no Bonus Beam Cannon

I think it is found in the objectives window.

[beatspete]

Originally posted by Razor

 With afterburner, you accelerate the Helios to a very high speed  

I've heard that before but it doesnt work.  The helios go their standard 55m/s (i think) no matter how fast you are going when you launch them.  Thats how if you boost you can keep ahead of your helios torpedoes and launch another 2 pairs of them at the same target on only 1 bombing run.
Plus since freespace doesnt have real physics, it doesnt matter how fast you go to launch them.

pete