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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
They would probably just leave the ship in storage for study. Having a warship like this is a logistical nightmare, even to the UEF (huge ammunition expenditure if actually used in combat, and more fighter squadrons means more supplies need to be diverted to the ship). I got the impression that the Solaris followed the philosophy of the rest of the UEF: Costly, high performance for a short period. It excels at defending single system with secured supply chains, but I can't imagine it handling an offensive campaign without having a disproportionate logistical drain. Granted, the GTVA might use it as a core system defender, but having to take a ship with completely different system architecture and attempting to integrate it into the fleet would probably be more trouble than its worth. Not to mention that the ship's main armament is antimatter based, which would be very difficult for the GTVA to constantly replace (at least until they gain total infrastructural control of the UEF).

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Offline qwadtep

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I get the feeling that a Solaris would end up a testbed for long-range missile tech. I almost said it would make a good artillery ship if upgraded with SSMs but the GTVA would probably want something more TEI-compliant to actually field, if it isn't part of the Raynor's strategic profile already.

 

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They might copypaste some green beams onto it like they did with the Orions to cut down on needed logistics but only if they were desperate.  Otherwise I'd guess it woulnd't be used because as others have mentioned it is a real supply hog which isn't very useful for the GTVA since they have much higher endurance warships already.

At least, I'd assume its a supply hog since it was built by the UEF and uses mostly weaponry that involves shooting big chunks of metal and antimatter at the enemy instead of melting them with beams of plasma.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I strongly doubt UEF beam jamming would work against Shivan targeting systems.

It's not a targeting issue. Beams are magnetically bottled plasma streams; they disrupt the bottle and so the beams are ineffective. (Or so the team says.)
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Yeah, but this doesn't seem to work 100% of the time (at least in the case of the slash beams on the corvettes in TBI, which are harder to jam, they were able to fight through) and the GTVA has demonstrated the ability to punch through with the right hardware - for example if the target is well-TAGged.

 

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Wait... wasn't the UEF jamming messing with the target calculation rather than the magnetic bottle itself?

If they could destabilize the magnetic bottle, it would mean the beam would still be on target, but would lose coherence much sooner or "leak" out of the sides resulting in the shots still being on target, but doing less damage.
But UEF jamming makes the beams go wide, though whatever object happans to be in the beams new (unintended) path is still hit by the full strength of the weapon.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Look, if we could have curved beams, we probably would have used them.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Hmm, if the jammers disrupted the magnetic bottle, the whole TAGged thing doesn't make much sense... I always thought it was messing with the fire control/targeting technobabble of the beams...

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Hmm, if the jammers disrupted the magnetic bottle, the whole TAGged thing doesn't make much sense... I always thought it was messing with the fire control/targeting technobabble of the beams...

No, it makes sense. The jamming technology disrupts the attacker's ability to draw a magnetic bottle all the way from emitter to target. A TAG beacon gives sufficient information to compensate for the disruption and punch through. It is messing with fire control and targeting, just not a form of fire control and targeting that could be overcome by boresight aiming.

If it were 'just' aiming being screwed with, the beams could be dumbfired straight ahead.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
It's not a targeting issue. Beams are magnetically bottled plasma streams; they disrupt the bottle and so the beams are ineffective. (Or so the team says.)

Serkr Team fired just fine in Aristeia.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
No, they tried to fire once or twice, then realized that their beams were pulled off-target, and tried to do what they could with pulse cannons.

Also note that beam jamming only affects large direct-fire beams; AAA beams and slashers are unaffected.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
But the beams fired, so the jamming was clearly a targeting/fire control issue, not something that actively prevents beams from firing.  Therefore, there's little to suggest that it would affect Shivan beam effectiveness.

I like the explanation Battuta provided.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Shivan beams are already hardly perfect in aim.  Any disruption helps, since a single missed BFRed can mean the difference between escaping a battle and exploding into tiny pieces.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
If the GTVA could capture some of them intact, Karunas or Narayanas might be good for blockade duties (though they'd still require increased logistics).

Or would the GTVA likely scrap most of those (assuming a GTVA win)?

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Also note that beam jamming only affects large direct-fire beams; AAA beams and slashers are unaffected.

Presumably these weapons could also be affected if targeted with the right methodology, though the difficulty is doubtless pretty variable.

 
Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
If the GTVA could capture some of them intact, Karunas or Narayanas might be good for blockade duties (though they'd still require increased logistics).

Or would the GTVA likely scrap most of those (assuming a GTVA win)?

I'd think the GTVA would keep the surviving UEF ships in sol until their end of service, while UEF shipyard would be retrofitted to produce TEI ship hulls and weapons.

 

Offline crizza

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I still don't understand why the GTVA  won't keep UEF tech in service, at least as second line of defense.
They have the logistic ships which are able to keep a battlegroup running, they could do the same with UEF ships, which can harras the shivs with long range fire and as soon as a subspace window opens, they fire their drives and are gone, all the UEF ships need is a logistic backup and perhaps better drives.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I think you're confusing "UEF ships" with "UEF tech".  Of course they'll keep a bunch of UEF tech and use it to enhance their capabilities.

UEF ships, on the other hand, are hideous resource hogs even when they do have secure logistics lines, damn expensive to make in the first place, and damn expensive to repair/maintain.

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Add to that that Tev crews aren't trained to operate UEF ships. They'll probably use them at first, but they'll be on top of the scrapyard waiting list once Sol shipyards start rolling out massive amounts of brand new and shiney Tev warships.
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