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How much would you contribute towards a Kickstarter aimed at acquiring the FreeSpace licence from Interplay?

< $10
14 (20.9%)
$10 - $100
38 (56.7%)
$100 - $250
7 (10.4%)
$250 - $500
5 (7.5%)
$500 - $1000
1 (1.5%)
$1000 - $10k
0 (0%)
$10k+
2 (3%)

Total Members Voted: 67

Author Topic: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?  (Read 18141 times)

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
How does Kickstarter handle things like this?

If the target amount of money is reached, and all the backers are charged, but you still fail to make the purchase, or if you get it for less than was received, what do you do with all the money? Does Kickstarter allow you to refund all the backers if necessary?

Who would be in charge of setting it all up anyway?

 

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
How does Kickstarter handle things like this?

If the target amount of money is reached, and all the backers are charged, but you still fail to make the purchase, or if you get it for less than was received, what do you do with all the money? Does Kickstarter allow you to refund all the backers if necessary?

Who would be in charge of setting it all up anyway?

I've already gotten in touch with KickStarter about the viability of this type of project (raising money for an IP purchase) and am awaiting to hear back from them. If they give a tentative go-ahead, then we'd need to contact Interplay and see where they stand - before actually starting the Kickstarter. Also, it has to be started by someone who is a US resident, so I'm out. :-/
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
at this rate we'll never reach page 3.
looks like i stand corrected. kind of.
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?

How does Kickstarter handle things like this?

If the target amount of money is reached, and all the backers are charged, but you still fail to make the purchase, or if you get it for less than was received, what do you do with all the money? Does Kickstarter allow you to refund all the backers if necessary?

Who would be in charge of setting it all up anyway?

What I know is that you need a credit card and it will be charged when the kickstarter ends and reached the desired amount xxx money.
If it fails nothing will be charged.
The other thing I believe is you need an actual company that is based in the US to start a kickstarter not sure about this part !
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
What I know is that you need a credit card and it will be charged when the kickstarter ends and reached the desired amount xxx money.
If it fails nothing will be charged.

I knew that, I was wondering what would happen if the Kickstarter succeeds, but the thing it was for (buying an IP) fails and all that money doesn't actually go where it was supposed to. Hopefully Sandwich will get an answer about that, for curiosity's sake.

 

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
What I know is that you need a credit card and it will be charged when the kickstarter ends and reached the desired amount xxx money.
If it fails nothing will be charged.

I knew that, I was wondering what would happen if the Kickstarter succeeds, but the thing it was for (buying an IP) fails and all that money doesn't actually go where it was supposed to. Hopefully Sandwich will get an answer about that, for curiosity's sake.

Sorry about that I misread some part of it.
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
I knew that, I was wondering what would happen if the Kickstarter succeeds, but the thing it was for (buying an IP) fails and all that money doesn't actually go where it was supposed to. Hopefully Sandwich will get an answer about that, for curiosity's sake.

The simplest answer would be to arrive at a written agreement with Interplay beforehand, where they agree to sell the IP for $XYZ if we can raise that sum by a certain date. If we don't manage to raise the sum via the kickstarter, then no cards are charged and nothing happens besides the media attention it might have garnered. If we do raise the sum, Interplay would be legally obligated to sell the IP. We could hire a lawyer to pound out said agreement if there's no lawyers among the community willing to contribute.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
The poll in this thread is not very likely to be useful.  When push comes to shove, what people say they'll donate and what they actually will donate are two different things.  For example, see the Mjn.Mixael Makes Characters thread.  According to the poll, we should have raised $452; in fact it took several weeks for us to even raise $325.  That's only a 72% coverage ratio, or 64% if we exclude the $100 outlier.  (And 51 people who voted in the poll didn't even offer to contribute so much as $1.)

The best way to find out if a Kickstarter project will succeed is to actually make a Kickstarter project. :)
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 04:43:16 pm by Goober5000 »

 

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
so we would need someone to set up the kickstarter, preferably with buisness experience. someone with contract writing experience to deal with all the legalese. and probibly some people to make all the phone calls negotiating a deal with interplay/volition/thq/whoever else. the kickstarter goal should cover all the expenses needed to pull it off as well. and assuming a us buisness license is needed you will probibly have to deal with payroll/taxes/whatever else just to make it all legit. catch is you have to do all that before you have the funding! have fun with that. at this point we dont even know how much were kicking for.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 04:45:20 pm by Nuke »
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
So you guys are actually going to do this? Please respond, the derp is very curious and maybe exited! :P
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
i sure as hell aint. after all, you dont want to leave something like this in the hands of a raving misanthropic anti-social psychopath who cant finish a project if his life depended on it and would probibly take all the money and run to mexico, spending it on dope, tequila and whores for the remainder of the liver, if he was handed the check. nah you want someone like an american dekker who can charm people into doing what we want them to do.
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
The simplest answer would be to arrive at a written agreement with Interplay beforehand, where they agree to sell the IP for $XYZ if we can raise that sum by a certain date.

I think we should also check if :v: would be willing to develop the game should a kickstarter actually succeed. We've just been assuming that they would and that's a pretty enormous assumption.
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
Shouldn't a project like this be initiated out of :v: own volition?

We should get into contact with them and find out if they really care about such an endeavor enough to consider it, the legal limbo things have to go through is scary enough.

Plus there's no guarantee they'll even make FS3, they might end up with the license in an office box and not use it because their current publisher does not want to green light such a project.

 

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
here's the HUGE problem i see with this (and most kickstarter ideas for that matter):

assume all that is outlined above gets done.  we even meet the kickstarter goal.  huzzah.  now, who else is going to buy it?  good luck getting :V: to develop something just on the break even promise.
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
Shouldn't a project like this be initiated out of :v: own volition?

I see what you did there  :nod:


As an alternative to hoping  :v: would develop it on their own time (or convince THQ to sponsor it), is to just figure out who wrote FS 1 and 2, and contract them to write FS3. We (ie. you all) could do the actual production. The skill definitely exists here, especially if you were able to kickstart some funds to actually pay the coders and artists.

And then, having the rights to the IP, using all new assets, and with a :v:-made story, you could actually release it.

If any of this ever got past the wishful-thinking stage at least.

 

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
This is promising, got all the famous people on a role, and an Fs3 topic reached over 5, FIVE pages.  :P
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
Don't start daydreaming about it until we talked to Volition, trust me, it prevents massive disappointment.

 

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
Don't start daydreaming about it until we talked to Volition, trust me, it prevents massive disappointment.
Don't worry, If they don't... thats fine with me. We've got an awesome community, with awesome mods, and some very cool people!  :nod:
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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
The other thing we could do is just buy the license for ourselves and start selling all of our mods. :D

 

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Re: A chance for FS3 with the help from kickstarter ?
excuse me, i suddenly have a lot of downloading to do.
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