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Offline wEvil

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It's next to impossible for European/Western nations to sort them out because of the basic incompatibilities in fundamental views.

Unfortunately it seems to be getting to the point where everyone has had enough.

Why not "wall" them off and just let them to get on with it exactly?

By wall i mean not grant anyone from and to the place exit visas.

Well..that wouldn't be exactly humanitarian, would it?  And as propaganda machines, western countries rely on the fact they try and sort every world scuffle out to keep their populations quescient.

If they canned the whole world peace thing everyone would start looking closer to home and notice the rugs being pulled out from under their feet and probably revolt.

 

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Walls = apartheid = bad. :blah:

 

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I think it's funny how it's gotten to be that even tiny little incidents can escalate to the brink of world annihilation.
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:D


:lol: That's genius.

BTW Sandwich I'm glad to hear you're OK. Feel sorry for the people related to those on the bus though. :(

 

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A couple of you mentioned building a wall/fence - a plan that Israel is actually taking first steps in.

But the problem with this "solution" is three-fold:

1. Thousands of Israelis live in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. It'd sort of be like walling off the Bronx.
2. If the Palestinians were left to fend for themselves, economy-wise, they'd shrivel away and die. Arafat, instead of directing the money he recieves from international aid towards helping the Palestinians, invests in the terrorist organizations such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah, or "rewards" the families of suicide bombers for the sacrifice of their son/daughter.
3. There is an international border between Israel and Egypt. But that hasn't prevented the smuggling of weaponry across the border, via tunnels primarily. So in the end, what good would yet another wall/fence be?
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Dose that make Macintosh and Linux the allies ;)
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Dose that make Macintosh and Linux the allies ;)
Nope.  Cause macs suck. :p
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Nope.  Cause macs suck. :p


well they are aginsed M$
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Nope.  Cause macs suck. :p

Having used both... no.. they dont suck, theyre great multimedia machines... if I didnt play games all that much I'd be using a Mac...

 

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Having used both... no.. they dont suck, theyre great multimedia machines... if I didnt play games all that much I'd be using a Mac...


lets just make them the French :p
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A couple of you mentioned building a wall/fence - a plan that Israel is actually taking first steps in.

But the problem with this "solution" is three-fold:

1. Thousands of Israelis live in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. It'd sort of be like walling off the Bronx.
2. If the Palestinians were left to fend for themselves, economy-wise, they'd shrivel away and die. Arafat, instead of directing the money he recieves from international aid towards helping the Palestinians, invests in the terrorist organizations such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah, or "rewards" the families of suicide bombers for the sacrifice of their son/daughter.
3. There is an international border between Israel and Egypt. But that hasn't prevented the smuggling of weaponry across the border, via tunnels primarily. So in the end, what good would yet another wall/fence be?


1. not to be callus, but if they were stupid enough to move into the middle of the vipers den, well lets just call that evolution in action.
If the bronx was 90% populated with insane killers bent on killing me and everyone I know at any cost I would
a.) knockout and drag anyone who I knew who was stupid enough to live there
b.) wall it up, dig a moat, fill it with boiling acid, build another fence place highpowered anti-personel weapons on it, dig another moat, fill it with molten lava, erect a level 9 force feild I don't care if I have to invent all the first 8 levels before this, dig a third moat fill it with lawers that haven't been fed or paid in teen years other than from the happless victims that have fallen in, place an anchent curse on the place, and put up a sign saying "do not enter" faceing in both directions
c.) after the aria had been properly sealed off, I'd nuke it, hourly


2. so what, just cut them off and say "to hell with you", if anyone crosses the border, in ether direction, kill them on site, basicly give them there state and make the border the most heavily defended one on earth, then when the poverty continues everyone will see it is not Isrial that is causeing the problems for the Palistinians. if they become too much of a problem, reoccupy, and kick them all out this time.

3. see #2
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I think it's funny how it's gotten to be that even tiny little incidents can escalate to the brink of world annihilation.

Yes, it's halarious isnt it? :rolleyes:
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Well, really the blame for the problem is from both sides. Palestine is just as much, if not more, a victim than Israel. The media's coverage is a farce.

Few of the media companies show the whole truth like
Independent :
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But the attempt to force the media to obey Israel's rules is now international. We must say that Israel is under siege by Palestinians (rather than occupying Palestinian land), that Palestinians are responsible for the violence (even though Palestinians are the principal victims), that Arafat turned down a good deal at Camp David (though he was offered just over 60 per cent of his land, not 94 per cent), and that Palestinians indulge in child sacrifice (rather than question why the Israeli troops have shot so many Palestinian children).

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Oddly, you can now learn more from the Israeli press than the American media. The brutality of Israeli soldiers is fully covered in Ha'aretz, which also reports on the large number of US negotiators who are Jewish. Four years ago, a former Israeli soldier described in an Israeli newspaper how his men had looted a village in southern Lebanon; when the piece was reprinted in The New York Times, the looting episode was censored out of the text.


Meanwhile our "impartial" media continues to suggest that there's nothing very odd about using tanks and missiles against rioters and gunmen. The Los Angeles Times is now talking of the Israeli tactics as "heavy handed" – like a schoolmaster who prefers six of the best to three of the best – while BBC Television news told us when the first helicopter fired a missile into a Palestinian apartment block that the Israelis were "resorting to extreme measures".

Is that what the Los Angeles Times and the BBC would have said if the Palestinians had fired a missile into an Israeli apartment block? I doubt it. I suspect our old friend "terrorism" would have been produced to account for such a barbarity.

From
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The issue of Occupation is hardly discussed.
The Palestinians have indeed risen up with protests, riots, violence and often with horrendous suicide bombings that target Israeli civilians. However the deeper context within which the Palestinian uprising has occured is often not looked at in detail. Often not looked into by much of the mainstream is that:

-It is Palestine which is occupied.
-Israeli tanks, helicopter gun ships etc have been used against villages, camps and cities, firing missiles and live rounds. (They also targeted the Palestinian National Authority's Gaza headquarters, the Voice of Palestine radio station and police stations.)
-In comparison, the Palestinians don't have an army in the first place. The Palestinian police force, accused of firing against Israeli soldiers are doing their primary job of protecting their citizens.
-Israeli extremists have also been turning on Palestinians living in Israel.
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Interesting information, Blitz_Lightning. I'm glad you brought it up. The Independent is indeed one of the better British newspapers (probably the most impartial) and I also quite like the Guardian www.guardian.co.uk

A particularly interesting piece from the Guardian today tells of how the bus from Gilo was not just packed full of Jewish Israeli commuters, but Arab-Israelis too. It appears to have been timed to derail Bush's peace proposals later this week - and it's succeeded, as Sharon has occupied the Palestinian territories now indefinitely, pre-empting Bush as the suicide bombers did.

However, I await sandwich's response to this newspaper info with less-than-glee. :rolleyes:

 

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Offline Kellan

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Indymedia is full of hate. Look at the user submitted articles and you'll find that most urge you to destroy something or other. Not the most useful attitude to take, if you ask me. Mind you, I haven't checked it in a while due to the aforementioned, but last time it seemed to be cleaned up a little.

Oh, there are lots of conspiracy theorists too... :D :cool:

 

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Well....hatred for the current system and paranoia about current consiracy theories is arguably it's only reason for existing.

Still, it makes a change to read some more "vital" news stories than the overly processed newsmen we get on television and the radio.

 
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There are enough popular sites on the internet, such as Indymedia and Common Dreams, that gather together a range of views and analysis of international developments, to suggest that people who aren't getting what they want from television will look elsewhere.


I just looked up some info about it, and it seems that it ain't too bad.
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Well....hatred for the current system and paranoia about current consiracy theories is arguably it's only reason for existing.

Still, it makes a change to read some more "vital" news stories than the overly processed newsmen we get on television and the radio.


That's true. It's also got rid of a lot of all the rubbishy stories on the sidebar in the previous incarnation of the site.

However, I don't see how aiming to destroy the current system without some idea of what we would like to replace it is much of an improvement. Replacing our current system with anarchy doesn't strike me as an improvement. :blah: