[Klaustrophobia]

i could have gone the rest of my life without seeing that and been perfectly happy.

[An4ximandros]

Blame Gray113. Besides, had I not posted someone else would have!

[Phantom Hoover]

bosch is infinitely better-written and characterised, but tim does have a way better theme and a somewhat cool image underneath all the tryharding

[Mongoose]

i could have gone the rest of my life without seeing that and been perfectly happy.

Seriously, you people have not seen nearly enough of the Internet if something like that traumatizes you.

[wistler]

Why can't I not stop looking at that image 

[Phantom Hoover]

eh, could be better

[BloodFleet]

Well according to the games Shivans have firepower in the gigaton level while Reapers are in the kiloton level...obvious victor is obvious.

but, Shivan vs Reaper? Been there done that http://imageshack.us/f/825/ss00018.jpg/

you said gigaton

...

wut?

[Phantom Hoover]

battuta is pre-empting the tendency of these discussions to devolve into a game of 'who can stick the most zeroes between 1 and J by building an increasingly-unsteady stack of approximations and assumptions'

[Mongoose]

The usual Trek-vs-Wars debates are especially heinous for throwing around "gigatons" from fluff EU text all over the place.

[IronBeer]

There actually was a pretty decent brief discussion about this very topic on IRC not too long ago. If this thread can stay reasonably intelligent while I'm still interested, I might be persuaded to sum up some of the more salient points here.

[BloodFleet]

battuta is pre-empting the tendency of these discussions to devolve into a game of 'who can stick the most zeroes between 1 and J by building an increasingly-unsteady stack of approximations and assumptions'

ok, well those were not approximations or assumptions...they are canonical values.
and even if the FS beam ones are not 100% canon well I'm assuming whoever did those based it on FS1 weapons, which do give canon values like for example the harbinger bomb is 5000 mt. So even FS strike craft weapons are far more powerful than ME capital ship weapons lol. So who cares about how good the beams are then, FS ships wouldn't even need them to kill the Reapers anyway.

[Mongoose]

battuta is pre-empting the tendency of these discussions to devolve into a game of 'who can stick the most zeroes between 1 and J by building an increasingly-unsteady stack of approximations and assumptions'

ok, well those were not approximations or assumptions...they are canonical values.
and even if the FS beam ones are not 100% canon well I'm assuming whoever did those based it on FS1 weapons, which do give canon values like for example the harbinger bomb is 5000 mt. So even FS strike craft weapons are far more powerful than ME capital ship weapons lol. So who cares about how good the beams are then, FS ships wouldn't even need them to kill the Reapers anyway.

No, see, you're doing the worst possible thing here.  I don't care how "canonical" they are: unless we're dealing with a hard sci-fi universe, all of those fluff numbers mean absolute jack ****, because there's literally nothing that they're based on.  They're just technobabble wankery.  I mean, if we go by FS1, ****ing Furies have comparable power to a small atomic bomb.  I dare you to tell me how that makes sense.  Hint: it doesn't.  So most of us refer to the number half-jokingly, and continue to treat them as the weak dumbfire rockets they are, and we all go home happy.

[General Battuta]

battuta is pre-empting the tendency of these discussions to devolve into a game of 'who can stick the most zeroes between 1 and J by building an increasingly-unsteady stack of approximations and assumptions'

ok, well those were not approximations or assumptions...they are canonical values.
and even if the FS beam ones are not 100% canon well I'm assuming whoever did those based it on FS1 weapons, which do give canon values like for example the harbinger bomb is 5000 mt. So even FS strike craft weapons are far more powerful than ME capital ship weapons lol. So who cares about how good the beams are then, FS ships wouldn't even need them to kill the Reapers anyway.

you said megaton

[yuezhi]

i just remembered that shivans don't have the benefits of zombies.

[Gray113]

An4ximandros

I saw that picture this morning and now I dont think I'm going to stop laughing for the rest of the day cheers  for that

[TrashMan]

bosch is infinitely better-written and characterised, but tim does have a way better theme and a somewhat cool image underneath all the tryharding

Rose-tinted glasses much?

TIM is well-written, with the exception of 2 things - ME3 and the Lazarus Project. Discounting those two, he's easily on pair with Bosch.

Bosch really has too little screen time for any suckiness to truly show, but what little se see fomr him is good.

[TrashMan]

battuta is pre-empting the tendency of these discussions to devolve into a game of 'who can stick the most zeroes between 1 and J by building an increasingly-unsteady stack of approximations and assumptions'

ok, well those were not approximations or assumptions...they are canonical values.
and even if the FS beam ones are not 100% canon well I'm assuming whoever did those based it on FS1 weapons, which do give canon values like for example the harbinger bomb is 5000 mt. So even FS strike craft weapons are far more powerful than ME capital ship weapons lol. So who cares about how good the beams are then, FS ships wouldn't even need them to kill the Reapers anyway.

No, see, you're doing the worst possible thing here.  I don't care how "canonical" they are: unless we're dealing with a hard sci-fi universe, all of those fluff numbers mean absolute jack ****, because there's literally nothing that they're based on.  They're just technobabble wankery.  I mean, if we go by FS1, ****ing Furies have comparable power to a small atomic bomb.  I dare you to tell me how that makes sense.  Hint: it doesn't.  So most of us refer to the number half-jokingly, and continue to treat them as the weak dumbfire rockets they are, and we all go home happy.

While I do agree wiht you that canonical numbers often don't make sense - since the writers just put in what sounds cool without thinking about it - they still remain canon, wether we like it or not.
You and I might not care, but the world doesn't care abotu us not caring.
Sadly, such numbers will be used in debates and while we can ignore tham and pretend they don't exist, they won't go away.

[deathfun]

That's where the common sense clause comes into play usurping canonical references in regards to debates

[The E]

By the time you get to the question of "would fictional universe component a beat other fictional universe component b", common sense has already taken its coat and left the building to get something to eat.

[Luis Dias]

I don't even see the point of it other than overreaching in geekwankery. Or, alternatively, just to try to crack jokes.