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Which game is better, Freespace 1 or Freespace 2?

Descent/Conflict: FreeSpace - The Great War
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FreeSpace 2
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Voting closed: October 23, 2002, 11:48:25 am

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Offline CP5670

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FS1 was certainly head and shoulders above the other games at its time, but FS2 was equally as far ahead of FS1 in every possible way, which is of course to be expected considering it's a sequel.

I'm not sure how this got into an argument of who has more mad skillz; you may be the greatest pilots around, but that doesn't help the argument much. :p

 

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Just to clear things up, I meant FS2 Single. :D

 

Now, ToT, I understand that you wish to defend FS2, but DON'T mock FS1 story. From your point of view, FS2 story is: Aliens want to destroy our world again. They send big supership. We send big supership. They send more big supership. We get our asses kicked.

FS1 story, was above your average standard, that is certain. I just rate FS2 even higher.


That's what I ment.

But actually it's pretty pointless to argue here about FS1 and FS2. Some think FS1 is better, some think FS2 but since FS2 gets much higher ratings than FS1, also is one of the best SCS ever (PC gamer thinks FS2 is THE best) and people here mod FS2 not FS1, so it's clear...

 

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ToT IS right, it's a matter of opinion, but we all love to argue, so to hell with that.

The modding thing is not an argument though. FS1 is just older, and graphically/featurally weaker.
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Besides, we have the source code for FS2. :D And as ToT said, I have never seen any game review site out there that gave FS1 a higher score than FS2; both are usually rated quite highly, but between the two there is sometimes a difference.

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we all love to argue, so to hell with that.


especially me ;7

 

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Originally posted by Stunaep

undoubtely not the best time (still 1 minute short of QuantumDelta's time), but done in Insane. That should be enough to prove that Fredders CAN fly well.


Yeah, great job but as I said.....that takes no skill

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When it comes to the core question of gameplay, the biggest difference between FS1 and FS2 is the primary/secondary weapon importance.  FS1 had crap for missiles; even the best aiming ones didn't ever do sufficient damage to take out a target.  But, it was much easier to take out fighter with primaries.  FS2, on the other hand, made it very difficult to rely exclusively on primaries, and missiles had much improved accuracy and firepower.  So, if you don't use missiles (unless you fly a stealth fighter, which is near-impossible to hit with homing weapons) you fight at a bit of a disadvantage.


It is amazing how every time you post you PROVE you can't fly. Not to mention not being able to comprehend stuff, and <<<<< wasn't a flame...

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I'm not sure how this got into an argument of who has more mad skillz; you may be the greatest pilots around, but that doesn't help the argument much. :p


We can judge missions and stuff like that far better than you, because we know how to experience them on all levels of appreciation ;7

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(PC gamer thinks FS2 is THE best)


I rest my case with this person

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ToT IS right, it's a matter of opinion, but we all love to argue, so to hell with that.


Damn straight.

 

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I rest my case with this person


:wtf: excuse me?

 

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:wtf: excuse me?


Brainwashed by a computer magasine rating...if thats one of the high points of your opinion then I (or anyone else) needent listen to it, correct? We were all able to form opinions on the games ourselves, not through a magasine (at least I can hope) :wtf:

 
PC Gamer....lol....
They actually weren't to bad back in 97...ya know...when I didn't know much about games...but now....god...
PC Games I used to read, and NOM, gave up on that, NOM asked me to write a few strategy guides for them once or twice.
Specifically Golden Eye, and Zelda (Ocarina)
meh...
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Not only PC gamer. But every other ****ing magazine too.

 

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tat-tat, now, ToT, no need for unnecessary swearing.

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When it comes to the core question of gameplay, the biggest difference between FS1 and FS2 is the primary/secondary weapon importance. FS1 had crap for missiles; even the best aiming ones didn't ever do sufficient damage to take out a target. But, it was much easier to take out fighter with primaries. FS2, on the other hand, made it very difficult to rely exclusively on primaries, and missiles had much improved accuracy and firepower. So, if you don't use missiles (unless you fly a stealth fighter, which is near-impossible to hit with homing weapons) you fight at a bit of a disadvantage.


I have to agree with BD on this one. Kayser. Maxim. Circe in FS2.

Hornet. Interceptor. Phoenix-V in FS1.
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ToT, 99.9% of comp game mags are written by people I'd call amatures....

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tat-tat, now, ToT, no need for unnecessary swearing.

 

I have to agree with BD on this one. Kayser. Maxim. Circe in FS2.

Hornet. Interceptor. Phoenix-V in FS1.



....What...The...Heck is it with everyone and that stupid useless pathetic primary combination....jeez...
Prom S/Kayser is better then that,
MS/Kay(or PromS) is better then that.
Circe is the most pathetic weapon I've ever found, do you realise it does just less the damage of the Kayser for almost the same energy?? Sheesh.... maxim is ok, but useless against any pilot with real skill, only two people EVER Killed me with a maxim in the last YEAR would be Cetanu and Enterich...
PV are pretty nice, Interceptor as ok...
Hornet was my love, lol, but I was almost 100% reliant on my primaries in FS1, then again, I'm still almost 100% reliant on them in FS2.
Not only that, the Missiles in FS1 locked and fired, and tracked, just fine, you just needed some skills to use it.

FS2? You get newbies come on PXO all the time and they just sit still and spam with missiles....do you REALISE how easy it is to evade pretty much 100% of incoming missiles (no matter the number of them) without cms???
Sheesh.... Missiles are useless against a good fighter pilot period.
It's funny though, those newbies sit there...'pow pow pow weee' they die in two shots "CHEATER!" and leave...
lol, oh deary me... no one really understands this game....even the programming experts don't know how to play it...lol
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You two posting brings to mind so many stereotypes...

Mission Programmers can't fly you say?

:lol:

That's the most arrogant thing i've heard all week.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
tat-tat, now, ToT, no need for unnecessary swearing.

 

I have to agree with BD on this one. Kayser. Maxim. Circe in FS2.

Hornet. Interceptor. Phoenix-V in FS1.


Interceptors don't do a lot to shields, hornets can barely home, and Phoenix-V can only be carried in very small quantities.  The kayser is quite effective, but it is still easier to take out fighters in FS1 with primaries than it is in FS2.  Maybe it's the AI, maybe it's just game physics, but playing one and then the other, that is something I noticed really quickly.  And I'm talking going from Clash of the Titans to Clash of the Titans II, so tech is pretty equivalent.

This deserves to be seperate, but oh well:

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It is amazing how every time you post you PROVE you can't fly. Not to mention not being able to comprehend stuff, and <<<<< wasn't a flame...


Yes it was.  I may not be the best pilot, and I never claim to be.  But I still know how to fly, and it's gotten to the point that your posts are just insulting.  And as for the post you quoted, I was stating simple facts of observation, you attack me for being an idiot.  I'm not going to get into a battle of words over this one, simply because it isn't worth it.  You have both proven your single-mindedness enough for me.  So flame all you like, but I hereby request that this thread be considered for lockdown because of the rediculous amount of flaming that has developed.
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I wonder what happens if you click "report post to moderator"

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don't know, should i try it? ;)
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Point is, Diamond just kinda proved how little he knew about FS2...

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Thanks, QD, for proving that you have NO IDEA what is going on here...


:wtf:...


Anyway...

What I'm struggling to understand, my pedigree chum, is why you are in a FreeSpace forum *****ing about how much the game sucks and holds no challenge for you. Would it not be easier to just a) not play it and b) stop *****ing. I mean, you've proven that you don't give a flying **** about the background or plot, and so if the actual gameplay is so pants, why do you play? Why are you here?

Perhaps you could find a new game, one worthy of your mad skillz?

And for the record, I have dodged AAA beams. If you're fast, you can take the first shot and dodge the second and third. Call me a liar if you like.
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You can dodge them yes, although its extremely hard to dodge all 3 and you usually have to be going faster than 150 m/s.

This whole thread is GAY, not to mention i'm sure this has been argued before.
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Diamondgeezer knows not little about FS2. He just knows less than you. I agree with him on most aspects (not counting his statement that beams are dodgable, because they ain't, their miss factor is defined in the tables).


Cough.
:rolleyes:

Strat

Interceptors can take out a dragon with two in one hit, kay? they just gotta be fired right, go back and try, it takes some skill, or are you not getting it....?

Hornets home fine, you just need to fire them at the correct angle, and have your speed moving correctly in relation to the enemy fighters speed.

PV's are another matter, I actually agree that you can only hold a few which is too few, especially compared to Trebs, however PV pack more punch, They are also pretty much COMPLETELY Reserved for bombers/frieghters/Cruisers/Destroyers.
I personally love knocking out those Dragon's with the PV's in Failure to Communicate ;)

The Two do have differences in forms of game physics, but that isn't really much, I have always relied on a combination of weapons in FS2, point is, in both games, I have a tendancy of locking one, firing missiles at it, and killing another two with primaries in the time it takes the first to die.
There is just a matter of using the weapons differently, they are no more or less effective in either game, FS2 has a few different weapon values, Maxim, for example, it's alright...erm...for caps, but then you need it a  bit...heh

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What I'm struggling to understand, my pedigree chum, is why you are in a FreeSpace forum *****ing about how much the game sucks and holds no challenge for you. Would it not be easier to just a) not play it and b) stop *****ing. I mean, you've proven that you don't give a flying **** about the background or plot, and so if the actual gameplay is so pants, why do you play? Why are you here?

Perhaps you could find a new game, one worthy of your mad skillz?


Diamond, as we have said REPEATEDLY Throughout this thread FS1 Single Player, FS1 Multiplayer, FS2 Multiplayer
That would be why.
There is challenge, even if the only challenge is other humans.
I train people on PXO in the hope that they'll get better then I will, or at least better to be a challenge.
As for your quote, from a DIFFERENT THREAD, yeah, I read it wrongly, I've recently been dealing with a few issues about the online multiplayer 'bugs'.
I had 'Eri After burner max = 130' Stuck in my head, and I knew that I had left it to someone else to report it to the Source Code Project (Quiz, actually...hehe) so I figured there might have been a few crossed wires, if I'd done more then skim-read the topic, I probably wouldn't have butted in, I'm not calling you a liar for dodging beams, I'm telling you, you don't understand how they work.
Refer to Stun's quote.




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You two posting brings to mind so many stereotypes...

Mission Programmers can't fly you say?

:lol:

That's the most arrogant thing i've heard all week.




Final point.
Come try it, kiddo. ;) What have you got to lose? :lol:
Expansion upon that final point.
Right now, BD and I are pretty much #1 and #2 on pxo respectively, lol, Suppose you do come down there and knock us off our pirch, it'd shut us up a bit, if you lose? meh, just another person like any other ;p
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Offline Knight Templar

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Final point.
Come try it, kiddo. ;)  What have you got to lose? :lol:
Expansion upon that final point.
Right now, BD and I are pretty much #1 and #2 on pxo respectively, lol, Suppose you do come down there and knock us off our pirch, it'd shut us up a bit, if you lose? meh, just another person like any other ;p


:wtf:

Who do you think you are?

I Don't Care

~ How good you think you are
~ How good you are on PXO

So kindly shut up. Discuss your prefrences over each game, but don't flame or boast about how many n00bies you've beaten on PXO. Nobody cares. It only makes you look like a total jackass. Discuss the games and their aspects, but if you want to boast or flame.. you have an entire squadwar forum to spam.
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