[Solatar]

I'm not saying your inmature, yet... Lots of other people are throwing around insults also. You really don't want to lose an argument to me though. Especially if you've finished college. "cause I'm only thirteen, and that would be embaressing.

Some people here are like talking to a brick wall.

And I'm sticking to my neutrality. Fs1 is better than Fs2, but Fs2 is better than Fs1. In there own seperate ways.

[QuantumDelta]

....Ironically, the thirteen year old speaks more truth in a very short post then most of the rest of the thread combined.

Don't worry hades, I wouldn't be embarrised about that, if you 'beat me in an argument' I'd rather be glad, it means you are an excellent debater, the only problem with that is, you don't win debates, you just learn from them.

....Besides, sometimes children are far more right then any adult could be.
It fades with maturity, but children have a sense of justice unrivaled by any other stage of growth, because they don't act to conditions of others control, yet they aren't ones to bow to peer pressure (not at an early age anyway), which makes them stronger of heart then most teen/adults...
Thing is, they're true to themselves, good or bad.

....Side note, embarrisment is a direct attribute of insecurity....
probably why I never get that way (with two special exceptions which don't need to be put out here....BWAHHAHA hehehe...)

[Solatar]

Children are 12 and under, tennagers are 13-18.

EDIT: OT - 1200 posts!! Wohoo!

[QuantumDelta]

hehehe, congratz

btw, I even call adults children sometimes
Just depends on the style of the person, it's not an insult

[Solatar]

I didn't take it as an insult, don't worry:)

[QuantumDelta]

drop by pxo sometime, or pick me up on msn/via email and i'll show you around ^^
You'll have a blast I garantee it hehe

[Solatar]

I know my way around.

[QuantumDelta]

You know as soon as you guys start talking about tbl's i lose the plot....lol, i'll be back in a bit gotta slave for the parents.

I meant show ya around flying style, hehe, and this forum always makes me wanna try Jenova again...meh...all plot, no know how, lol, the other thing about Jenova, is it was going to be a multiplayer campaign, it only had 5key missions, so the rest would have been build up to it, plot wise, I only dealt with Generalistics...it was going to flow..lol, point is, those 5 key, would have been 5missions per part, and therefore just about as long as the templar campaign, so even UK 56k's which cut out every two hours could play the campaign through in parts...
Multiplayer campaigns would get played MUCH more then single player ones...(especially if they were good )
Just a side note for you guys it does unfortunately mean you'd have to drop ya mods a bit

[Shiva Archon]

I really find that hard to believe QD, considering the number of people that DL these campaigns.  Although Warzone isnt on 3Ddownloads anymore, when I saw it there there were thousands of DLs.  The two times I went on PXO to get a match going with my bro I saw 5, maybe 6 people (at 6 EST).

FS1 and FS2 would both fail miserably in the cinema.  Why?  There's no characters.  Oh sure, you hear the name of a few admirals, but there's no development or interaction.  The quality of a Freespace movie would have nothing to do with the quality of the games' plots themselves, it would have to do with how a writer created characters and fit them in.  
If anything, FS2 would be an easier conversion to cinema because it has these people in it.  Bosch is a clear antagonist, where FS1 has no single enemy character.  Snipes also serves as a "wingman" character that would be needed in a movie.  However that's really a stretch, since you still have characterize Alpha 1 and give a face to the Shivans.  FS1 has no characters whatsoever, and a faceless, nameless enemy, which doesn't work too well on screen.

Basically, after all that, the point's moot, since neither can be sent to the cinema (or even a book) without massive reconstruction.

[QuantumDelta]

FS1 could be converted to SELL on the screen, FS2 couldn't, is what I said, because FS2 would be the kind of thing you would see in a book everyone think's "That'd be a good film idea!" then they do it and wonder why it sucked, some plot lines are too complex to do this with.
Complex is not always better.
As for adding characters, yes, you would, need to do so for both games, but think about Space Above and Beyond, it's an amazing series (lol, ask Su), with a nearly nameless and faceless enemy
Same as FS1 is.
Main parts that would need to be done well...
Intro to universe.
Background on V's.
Intro to Shivans.
Tech Development to combat them.
Dramatisation of the plot (making it more personal, letting the audience see the loss felt, instead of feeling it themselves, this would be done with the main character obviously...).
Introduction of alliance, while I'm at it too...
Intro of the Lucifer.
Loss of Vasuda/Galatea.
Ancients(this would have to be done differently to the game, the same as the bosch video's would have to be different...).
Destruction of the Lucifer.


That's BAREBONES.
Now write up a list for FS2, you just couldn't fit it in a film and still make it tick...

[Solatar]

What about some of the fan fiction around here? Most of them have characters.

[QuantumDelta]

like i said...I wrote one myself, hehe...

[Mr. Vega]

FS2 may have had the better storyline, but I always felt that FS1 had a bit more atmosphere to it. Whether it was the music or something else I don't know, but FS1 had a better ability to get you anxious than FS2 did.

[CP5670]

And no, I didn't 'lose' just realised you're a bit to ignorant... on this case anyway

The most dangerous people to argue against, are those who do not know everything about the subject, but do know enough about the subject to manipulate it with their own perspectives.

except that you cannot say why or where, eh? If I am ignorant, teach me and make me smart by actually defending your points so I know why you think what you think.

My main comment, is that FS2, would never be able to stand up in a cinema, whilst FS1 would.

However...
FS2 would make the better book.
Depends on your style of storyline, personally I do prefer books, but in game format, the Cinematic perspective is normally used in literature references, I went over this about 10 times two years ago... This is how the industry for TV/Cinema/LiveStageProductions, and the industry for books and literature works, at least currently. Sorry I can't do much to prove it to you apart from to put you on a year course with 3years peripheral study on the subject to realise it....

Perhaps that is true. But then again, maybe 99% of movies and 95% of novels have complete crap storylines, so that's not saying a whole lot.

And yeah, it pisses me off when people are arguing points which they only semi-understand (if they fully believe it's correct, anyway).
Which would be why I exploded

But of course, you are once again unable to say why and/or explain further. suggestive, isn't it?

Al lot of these people know more than you Quantum Delta, and you know a lot more than some of them. Throwing around insults usually means you've lost the argument, and you're too inmature to say so nicely.

Exactly, and this behavior is nothing new to me either; look at some of the previous arguments I have been in around here and check out how they end. (two or three posts of insults, and then the guy disappears from the thread) When people finally go out, they tend to do so in the biggest bang they can muster.

Intro to universe.
Background on V's.
Intro to Shivans.
Tech Development to combat them.
Dramatisation of the plot (making it more personal, letting the audience see the loss felt, instead of feeling it themselves, this would be done with the main character obviously...).
Introduction of alliance, while I'm at it too...
Intro of the Lucifer.
Loss of Vasuda/Galatea.
Ancients(this would have to be done differently to the game, the same as the bosch video's would have to be different...).
Destruction of the Lucifer.

That's BAREBONES.
Now write up a list for FS2, you just couldn't fit it in a film and still make it tick...

Sure thing.

Intro to universe.
Background on V's. (whatever that means)
Intro to NTF and political/historical forces responsible for its formation.
Intro to war and some information on how things are going so far for both involved factions (estimated losses, current points of conflict, campaign planning, etc. ; this should be particularly elaborate)
Tech development to combat them. (be sure to include the physics equations for all the new weapons! )
Dramatization of the plot (making it as impersonal as possible, since character focus is the main thing that ruins most stories; have it play out like a informative historical movie, and show it from seven or eight different perspectives without too much focus on any one of them; e.g. "Tora! Tora! Tora!" did this extremely well)
Introduction of alliance (its political, military and social structures and the history behind it)
Intro to Shivans (this can be designed in such a way as to make it a complete surprise; routine day on the Vigilant until the arrival)
Loss of Capella
Bosch movies
Destruction of the first Sathanas

I can probably double that list with a bunch of other stuff when I have a bit more time...


As for the "immaturity," that is the one place where I quite agree with your conclusion. Nothing to do with a "sense of justice," but they will much more readily learn new things and encompass new ideas; that is the true sign of "maturity" and "wisdom."

[QuantumDelta]

Originally posted by CP5670

except that you cannot say why or where, eh? If I am ignorant, teach me and make me smart by actually defending your points so I know why you think what you think.

Ignorance isn't stupidity, an ignorant person who is intelligent is dangerous, that was the point of the comment, you sir, are intelligent you can make a point, even be it foolish, heh, even such as this quote, right here. The comment I made didn't NEED any further explanation, apart from the immature and very teenage 'I wanna win neener' attitude.

But of course, you are once again unable to say why and/or explain further. suggestive, isn't it?

Again, this does not need further explanation, it is a statement.
Sorry, but suggestive, no, the fact that you can't see my point, or if you can and wont except it, proves the comment in itself.

Exactly, and this behavior is nothing new to me either; look at some of the previous arguments I have been in around here and check out how they end. (two or three posts of insults, and then the guy disappears from the thread) When people finally go out, they tend to do so in the biggest bang they can muster.

do I look like I left the thread? or are you just blind? CP, I'm really getting tired of your 'I can't be wrong, I'm me, you're you' attitude, it makes you look even more stupid, or ignorant, your choice... In my eyes.

Sure thing.

Intro to universe.
Background on V's. (whatever that means)
Intro to NTF and political/historical forces responsible for its formation.
Intro to war and some information on how things are going so far for both involved factions (estimated losses, current points of conflict, campaign planning, etc. ; this should be particularly elaborate)
Tech development to combat them. (be sure to include the physics equations for all the new weapons! )
Dramatization of the plot (making it as impersonal as possible, since character focus is the main thing that ruins most stories; have it play out like a informative historical movie, and show it from seven or eight different perspectives without too much focus on any one of them; e.g. "Tora! Tora! Tora!" did this extremely well)
Introduction of alliance (its political, military and social structures and the history behind it)
Intro to Shivans (this can be designed in such a way as to make it a complete surprise; routine day on the Vigilant until the arrival)
Loss of Capella
Bosch movies
Destruction of the first Sathanas

I can probably double that list with a bunch of other stuff when I have a bit more time...

what you don't seem to realise, is this is far too much to go into a film, and you said yourself you want to double it, you believe that a more complex storyline is 'better', this isn't LOTR, you're not going to get die hard fans who'll sit down and watch two or three movies just so this plot can play out, if you did that to them, they'd feel ripped off any want their money back... That's almost the case with some people in LOTR.
Again, more proof, you really don't know what you're chatting about.

[CP5670]

Ignorance isn't stupidity, an ignorant person who is intelligent is dangerous, that was the point of the comment, you sir, are intelligent you can make a point, even be it foolish, heh, even such as this quote, right here. The comment I made didn't NEED any further explanation, apart from the immature and very teenage 'I wanna win neener' attitude.

And I wonder who suddenly got mad and started posting insults a little while ago? I would really avoid the subject of "immaturity" if I were you, since you have absolutely no leg to stand on there given your conduct in this thread so far. Also, ignorance is indeed more or less the same thing as stupidity; check a dictionary.

By further explanation, I mean that I want to know those things that you are saying I do not know about the subject. What you said was just a statement, and it needs some backing.

Again, this does not need further explanation, it is a statement.
Sorry, but suggestive, no, the fact that you can't see my point, or if you can and wont except it, proves the comment in itself.

No, what I am saying is that you never actually say what points I "semi-understand," nor what their "real understaning" is supposed to be. It's just another hollow insult, but don't worry, I have gotten used to those by now.

do I look like I left the thread? or are you just blind? CP, I'm really getting tired of your 'I can't be wrong, I'm me, you're you' attitude, it makes you look even more stupid, or ignorant, your choice... In my eyes.

No, but you gave up arguing and did not respond to any of my points at all, which is all that matters in this case. (not much you could say, anyway) If you think that you are correct and I am wrong, prove it so, and if you cannot, then it goes the other way. I may well be wrong, but you need to show that. As it stands now, FS2 has more or less won.

As for the "I'm me, you're you" part, what the heck are you trying to say; I should think that it is rather obvious that I am myself and you are yourself.

what you don't seem to realise, is this is far too much to go into a film, and you said yourself you want to double it, you believe that a more complex storyline is 'better', this isn't LOTR, you're not going to get die hard fans who'll sit down and watch two or three movies just so this plot can play out, if you did that to them, they'd feel ripped off any want their money back... That's almost the case with some people in LOTR.
Again, more proof, you really don't know what you're chatting about.

I thought LOTR sold pretty well, actually. This is not at all "far too much to go into a film," because there have been good movies made in exactly the same manner before, in that of historical documentaries; this is already the general style of both FS games. And yes you are going to get die hard fans as you described, and that is almost all you will get at the beginning. (from a coporate point of view, making a FS movie is ridiculous unless it has an enormous fanbase in the first place; it cannot just be set in the FS universe but must have the general FS style and format as well)

As for the rest of that, are you trying to tell me that any story should be made simple on purpose?! (maybe because you cannot comprehend it otherwise? ) Well, let us have a story of a guy walking around, then! I have not seen a single game criticized because of an overly complex storyline in my entire life, and the idea is so ludicrous that if I ever did see such a thing somewhere, I would never read that publication again.

[QuantumDelta]

You are by far, worse then I am, because I actually think you seriously believe what you're saying when you make these semi-points in defence...
It's scary...
...Oh well, unless someone else wants to pick up the points.
I don't like arguing with idiots.

[CP5670]

Sure I do, or I would not be saying them. (same goes for you) I don't like arguing with idiots either.

[QuantumDelta]

strange...that post actually made me hit myself on the head...

[CP5670]

against what?