[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Ryx
Don't mind the textures too much, just a test.

Ahh, ok - I was worried!


Lookin' good!

[Darkage]

1: **** ME!!!


Damn this is damn good dude !

Great details ! on the front section;)
I realy need to learn how to model.

*Go's back to model a cube and a shpere*

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Ashrak
oh man convert it to LW too its like WOW!!!!!!!! some coool rendering opertunities

In the conversion process the thing ends up as pure triangles. Let me tell you: Ryx Orion as pure triples HURTS MY MACHINE. And its just the front end, with no turrets.

[Ashrak]

Originally posted by mikhael


In the conversion process the thing ends up as pure triangles. Let me tell you: Ryx Orion as pure triples HURTS MY MACHINE. And its just the front end, with no turrets.

dont tell me it cant be converted....

[mikhael]

Of course it can. It just becomes very polylicious due to conversion. And you'll likely have to redo the textres/surfacing yourself--if Ryx releases it.

Which reminds me. Class is over. Gotta finish these models for Narol so I can get back to the Herc, and then the Medusa.

[Ryx]

Originally posted by Ashrak


dont tell me it cant be converted....

It can be converted. Problem is, conversion tends to bad things to the poly-count.
The .dxf-format, for instance, loads all triangles non-welded. At least, in my experience.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Ryx


It can be converted. Problem is, conversion tends to bad things to the poly-count.
The .dxf-format, for instance, loads all triangles non-welded. At least, in my experience.

yeah, a DXFformat won't keep the UV settings either. BTW, you probably can untriangulate the mesh in LW, so that's not a big pb.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506


yeah, a DXFformat won't keep the UV settings either. BTW, you probably can untriangulate the mesh in LW, so that's not a big pb.

Not without a plugin. LW doesn't have any default functions for seeking coplanar neighbors and merging with them. As one of the Lightwave greats said, "Adding Polys easy, getting rid of them is hard work."

[Nico]

mmh... rather tahn polys, search in the edge tools. untriangulating has, actually, nothing to do with polys It's just a matter of turning some edges invisible.

[mikhael]

I'm probably not being terribly clear: I can merge polys just fine. Pick poly A, pick poly B, hit SHIFT+Z. two triangls become1 quad.

that's not the problem.

Meshes like Ryx's Orion, have about 100000 triangles. And there's no handy tool in lightwave to SAFELY remove edges like that.

Reduce-Polys will merge polys and drop edges--but it very often makes polys disappear for no discernible reason. Even on its most conservative and "safe" settings, it will make some 3 pt polys just vanish. Just to make sure, I tested it again on my HercMk1 model and watched it kill have the tail end of the main body. Very simple geometry back there, no degenerate polys or anything.

[Riven]

Looking absolutly droppingly good Ryx and you guessed it, i'm here trying to recruit for the Realization project, and seeming as this is the most realistic model ever produced do you wana join?

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael
Meshes like Ryx's Orion, have about 100000 triangles. And there's no handy tool in lightwave to SAFELY remove edges like that.
 

oh yeah, didn't understand right.
Tho I can't understand that either, how the hell can a conversion add polys? Just like ryx is applying a meshsmooth modifer right before converting

[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506

how the hell can a conversion add polys?

3dsMax->Lightwave generally converts all faces to triangles, Venom.

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael


3dsMax->Lightwave generally converts all faces to triangles, Venom.

and how does that increases the number of faces in any way?
a polygon is made of triangles, if it conerts your quads to triangles, you still have the same number of polys, nothing is changed. So I don't understand.

[Carl]

what? how would coverting quads to triangles not increase polycount? you're not making sense, venom.

[mikhael]

All Non Triangular Faces are converted to Triangular faces, presenting you with a lot more edges, more normals, etc. A mesh tha is composed of nothing but rectilinear polys is faster to render in realtime and manipulate than one composed of triangular polys. 100K quads vs 200k triangles creates a huge performance hit.

[Nico]

mmh, no.
the edges are still there, just not visible, the vertex count hasn't changed I bet, so you can't have more olys right? anyway, not gonna argue with you. just ask Ryx how many polys he has in max ( max gives you only triangulated polycount, that's for a reason ).

[Ryx]

And ~15.3 kpolys

[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506
mmh, no.
the edges are still there, just not visible, the vertex count hasn't changed I bet, so you can't have more olys right? anyway, not gonna argue with you. just ask Ryx how many polys he has in max ( max gives you only triangulated polycount, that's for a reason ).

No, the vertex count hasn't changed, but a TWO TRIANGLES have twice as much ancillary data (you know, normals, UV and surfacing information, etc) than ONE QUAD. There /is/ a difference. If there was no difference, I wouldn't have mentioned it, would I? Fire up Lightwave and give it a shot so you know what I'm talking about.

[Nico]

hit"q" or "a" ( dunno, english keyboard stuff) to be sure.
anyway if it's 15.3 k, there's no way even if it was an untriangulated mesh it would turn to be more than 100k.
see my point? there's obviously something else.