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do you think we should, you know...

I am an american and I think we should
25 (26%)
I am american and I don't think we should
14 (14.6%)
I am american and don't care what hapens
4 (4.2%)
I am not american and I think we (you) should
11 (11.5%)
I am not american and I don't think we (you) should
32 (33.3%)
I am not american and I don't care what you do
7 (7.3%)
I am american living elsewhere and will do it myself if they don't!
3 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 94

Voting closed: March 12, 2003, 05:52:55 pm

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Offline Hippo

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I'd just like to point out that they are now talking about using "E" Bombs, which cause EM interference and permenately shut dow electronics systems. Did bush and Rumsfeld ever think about life support in hospitals? I have noticed that it is mainly Bush against Iraq... not the Americian people as a majority. I don't know... Im at the PERFECT age that i can't vote against bush in 2004, but i can be drafted later that year...

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The US doesn't exactly have a lot of supporters for this in the world either. I mean, it boils down to him and Blair. Yesterday, even Putin said, that he didn't want a war. Which I don't really give a damn about, because he's been fighting in Tchetchenia for the last 5 years. But still
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Originally posted by Hippo
I'd just like to point out that they are now talking about using "E" Bombs, which cause EM interference and permenately shut dow electronics systems. Did bush and Rumsfeld ever think about life support in hospitals? I have noticed that it is mainly Bush against Iraq... not the Americian people as a majority. I don't know... Im at the PERFECT age that i can't vote against bush in 2004, but i can be drafted later that year...

Bad Bush, verry Bad... :trout:


If they're using something to that effect it would be low-yield so that if wouldn't affect anything outside of the target zone.


And I really don't think you've got to worry about a draft anytime in the near future ;)
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Un failed?
Why.....that doesn't surprise me. This really sucks. I bet that if this turnes into a nuke war, UN will probably do nothing. Anyway, I just wish that my country stays away from this but if I remember, US offered us to take part into this but we of course refused. Who would like to side with NATO anyway?

 

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Un failed?
Why.....that doesn't surprise me. This really sucks. I bet that if this turnes into a nuke war, UN will probably do nothing. Anyway, I just wish that my country stays away from this but if I remember, US offered us to take part into this but we of course refused. Who would like to side with NATO anyway?

for the one last time: NATO ISN´'T America
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From CNN I see that Saddam has destroyed his wweapons of mass destruction and that he is ready to cooperate with the UN but still Bush is acting like a real idiot. SH did his work now and Bush ( a psycho) still wants to bomb him even though Sadams weapons are destroyed. You know, I think Bush is really really mad. If someone should step down here, that would be the US.


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The United States and Britain say Iraq has violated U.N. resolutions requiring it give up nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, long-range missiles and efforts to develop nuclear weapons


Nuclear? :wtf: Nuclear weapon efforts? :wtf:
Where did they get this crap? Do they know how much a nuclear warhead costs?
What about US? If anyone should give up weapons of mass destruction, then that would be none other than US. It is actually US and Bush who are threat to the world, not Sadam.

 

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I want to know when/if we find huge stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction and when/if we find hard evedence of a link between Sadam and Al queda (or some other equivelent faction(s))
will you say you were wrong?
if we don't I will say I was.
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This is the third or fourth time I have heard all this. If they are finally going ahead with it, great, although it is rather late by now and they have lost some credibility; this should have been completed back in november. At least the UN is losing power; it has outlived its time by about half a century. :p

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I fear though, that it'll be like Afganistan. They go in, change the regime, then go out, and everything will turn back the way it was.


uh yeah, that's the whole idea; keep things the way they are except with a new government, since the country is fine otherwise for the most part. :p

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Remember, most civilians WILL fight the US as they see Bush as a greater enemy then Saddam as Saddam has given them food, free education etc.


And I suppose their way of thanking him for this incredible generosity of his is lynching his republican guard officers if they try to go out on the streets alone? :D

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This is just one of the things the US severly underestimates. the Iraqi's aren't exactly fond of the Americans and won't let them occupy their houses/cities without a fight.


A majority of local fighters will probably only stand up in Hussein's hometown, and even there they will hardly put up a fight; groups of mobs cannot really stand up to cruise missiles. Then there is also the fact that if this were all actually true and Iraq really would put up a hard fight, warning the US would be the very last thing that the rest of the world would do. Everyone knows that this will be likely be a cakewalk but they don't want American influence to spread even more than it already has, so they are coming up with some reasons to preserve their own interests.

More of an issue is holding Iraq together after a new government has been set up, since the ethnic conflicts have been going on for some time there. Up to now any rebellions have been quickly beaten down by the military police, but some of the groups will likely see this as their chance to secede and form independent nations. Still, that's not so much of a problem because as long as the others are are fighting amongst themselves, they cannot unite against you. :D

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I'm personally in the mind that this is going to go alot like DS did. Yea they'll be a few new tricks by Saddam...but we've got quite a few new tricks ourselves.


I read somewhere that in terms of raw numbers his forces are just under half of what he had back then.

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Well just annouced, they've said if Saddam and his crew step down and willingly except Exile we won't be attacking.


I don't know who is making a more stupid decision here; the US for offering such a choice, or Hussein for not accepting it. :D He can control the nation just as easily from outside it as he is now by simply buying out whoever the US puts in power, so unless the US has reason to believe that he will do otherwise and is only giving the option for diplomatic reasons, this is definitely a bad idea.

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for the one last time: NATO ISN´'T America


I'm not even going to bother with him on any political issue... :D

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I want to know when/if we find huge stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction and when/if we find hard evedence of a link between Sadam and Al queda (or some other equivelent faction(s))
will you say you were wrong?
if we don't I will say I was.


I'm not sure we will find either one (first one has some possibility, but second one is very unlikely), but it doesn't really matter; there are other reasons to go with the war option.
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Originally posted by Razor
From CNN I see that Saddam has destroyed his wweapons of mass destruction and that he is ready to cooperate with the UN but still Bush is acting like a real idiot. SH did his work now and Bush ( a psycho) still wants to bomb him even though Sadams weapons are destroyed. You know, I think Bush is really really mad. If someone should step down here, that would be the US.


From CNN:
 

Nuclear? :wtf: Nuclear weapon efforts? :wtf:
Where did they get this crap? Do they know how much a nuclear warhead costs?
What about US? If anyone should give up weapons of mass destruction, then that would be none other than US. It is actually US and Bush who are threat to the world, not Sadam.


A little coherency would go a long way buddy. They want Saddam out, plain and simple, it's not about WMD, it's about them not wanting him (preferably) alive anymore. Thing is, he's used chemical weapons before and most probably will again, he's killed over one million of his own people and is plainly a not nice piece of work. I can understand why they want him out and personally wouldn't mind seeing all this money that goes into military funding used at least once in a while.

Personally I don't care particularly what happens, in the grand old scheme of things this will have very little effect on my life and as selfish as that is, I just don't give a flying ****.
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there may be other reasons, but that is the one we have promoted,
hell if they don't find anything they had better give a half assed frameup at the least. :lol:
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Oh come on. :rolleyes: Why does every one of these threads turn into Let's Bash America?

Food for thought: Read up on the 1930s, when everyone was getting mad at Churchill for blowing the whistle on Hitler.

 

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Food for thought: Read up on the 1930s, when everyone was getting mad at Churchill for blowing the whistle on Hitler.


True, but Churchill wasn't a dumb-ass who can't pronounce words with more than 3 syllables.

I'm American, and agree with this war, just not the way Bush is handling it.

 

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you know what'd just be intresting? If they finally got the war started, somehow got Saddam out of one of his uber underground fortresses and he was killed, Iraq falls, then the CIA for the good fo the country, dissposed of Bush and his posse Kennedy Conspiracy style, and then had some guy that has such a nice track record and has been so quiet that no one noticed him, whom they installed in the government years ago, step up and lead as the only one left in the chain of command..

That'd make a weird movie.
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you know what'd just be intresting? If they finally got the war started, somehow got Saddam out of one of his uber underground fortresses and he was killed, Iraq falls, then the CIA for the good fo the country, dissposed of Bush and his posse Kennedy Conspiracy style, and then had some guy that has such a nice track record and has been so quiet that no one noticed him, whom they installed in the government years ago, step up and lead as the only one left in the chain of command..

That'd make a weird movie.


They made that already....it's called Star Wars ;)

Palpy being the little guy with a good track record that sat back and slowly crept up to power.

Hmmm makes ya wonder,.. You might hate Bush now... but it could be worse.
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IF Bush's speech is to announce the war,.. it would be to say something to the effect of "An hour ago we started military action against Iraq".

Being CNN has repeatedly commented on them (Bush/Blair) planning to give Iraqi one last chance to avoid war,... I doubt it's starting tonight or tomarrow,... best guess is either it starts before his speech, or 2-3 days from now.
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Yes, we could have Nader..


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True, but Churchill wasn't a dumb-ass who can't pronounce words with more than 3 syllables.


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"True, but Churchill wasn't a dumb-ass who can't pronounce words with more than 3 syllables."

Tell me chief... can the renouned scientist Hawking pronounce ****?  No he can't.  Therefore according to your logic he is a dumb-ass.  


For those of you who think this will be a massacre I advise you to consult recent and all of history.  I am not meaning to brage... I'm intending to clear something up..  The USA is the most powerful nation in history when it comes to sheer contest and ability to reach out and touch someone.  Europe told us how it would be a bloody battle in Afghanistan that we couldn't win... with a fraction of our force we toppled the government in a matter of days.  Keep in mind that was ONLY air power.  We now have arrayed a massive amount of force near Iraq.  It is estimated that the amount of munitions that will be dropped in the first three days of this war will equal the total amount dropped in the Gulf War.  

I will admit one thing that could cause problems... Saddam using WofMD.  But Europe and the rest of the world is content thinking he doesn't have them so they aren't an issue are they?

The people are against us?  There are reports of people revolting and his mayors leaving.  Brainwashing only goes so far.  He is a dictator; he leads by fear not information.  He murdered a mayor to keep them from leaving yesterday.  Give me a few minutes and I will find the article.

Plain and simple:  The USA is bearing a great deal of her arsenal... this she has not done this in years.
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very true Falcon, but remember that the US may just be underestimating "war" as a whole.

In the history of the United States, not once has she been bombed during war.  Britan was bombed non-stop for months... Germany for weeks... and almost, if not all, every European country at some time.  

America has never had an attack (other than the WTC attack) on its mainland.  it's never had an airstrike on Washington, it's never had a bomb dropped in California.  i think if that happens (hopefully it won't)... Americans will get a different feeling about this war.