[Warlock]

Then perhaps you are supporting in some form of military. Normally one wouldn't expect a Military commander to be present for politics.

[Tiara]

Well, currently there is a debate on dutch television about it. As far as we know we are not supporting in a military way.

[Tiara]

Just heard; 2 of the higher Dutch command officers came back from US military bases to Holland to show we aren't involved militarily. But now they come in an open debate at Central Command....

[Warlock]

Then honestly .... what in the hell are any military commands from the Netherlands or anywhere else doing there if not in a "military" way ?  

Kind of an oxymoron there. But I'm guessing we'll find out shortly,..my GF said they said each member standing there is suppossedly going to speak.

[01010]

Originally posted by Tiara
Just heard; 2 of the higher Dutch command officers came back from US military bases to Holland to show we aren't involved militarily. But now they come in an open debate at Central Command....

The speed the Allies are advancing I don't think it really matters at the moment. The whole thing seems like it's going to be wrapped up soon hopefully.

Apparently reports are that Saddam has either been severely injured or killed in the first strikes on tuesday.

Talk about shooting your load in the first five minutes huh?

[Warlock]

lol Yea we heard this morning that some one saw Saddam being loaded into an Ambulance Tues night have that strike. But who knows,...at the rate his soldiers are giving up there won't be a war going on anyways ...perhaps just a massive manhunt using tanks

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Warlock

 But I'm guessing we'll find out shortly,..my GF said they said each member standing there is suppossedly going to speak.

Well nevermind about that,...guess she heard wrong.

[01010]

Originally posted by Warlock
lol Yea we heard this morning that some one saw Saddam being loaded into an Ambulance Tues night have that strike. But who knows,...at the rate his soldiers are giving up there won't be a war going on anyways ...perhaps just a massive manhunt using tanks

I think most of the soldiers gibing up at the moment are conscripts that I guess didn't want to fight anyway. Yes I know what propaganda is so don't lambast me for the following, anybody see the pictures in the media and on the net of people hugging the soldiers as the entered Umm Qasr and Basra? It's heartwarming for sure and I think all these "Pro-Peace" (ironic how a few of them in Britain have been incredibly violent in getting their message across) could do to take a look at what these people have to say about a regime they've suffered for too long.

I think Baghdad may prove to be a tougher nut though because it's where the majority of the Elite Republican Guard are based.

[Warlock]

Yea Bagdad is expected to be pretty tough.

BTW You see the reports on CNN ? All the CNN reporters were removed from Bagdad ... yet MSNBC still has ppl there

Wonder who CNN pissed off?

[01010]

Originally posted by Warlock
Yea Bagdad is expected to be pretty tough.

BTW You see the reports on CNN ? All the CNN reporters were removed from Bagdad ... yet MSNBC still has ppl there

Wonder who CNN pissed off?

I'm in the UK so I've been watching Sky News basically. I'd say it was Fox news without so much crap (Rupert Murdoch owns both). Sky still have people in Baghdad, in fact I think a lot of the video from last nights "Shock and Awe" bombings were from Sky reporters.

Apparently an ITN news crew have gone missing in Northern Iraq. The Turks have also sent 1500 troops in, which is worrying.

[Warlock]

Yea I heard some reporters have gone missing ,..... just hearing now as many as 6 may be captured or killed in S. Iraq.

[Stryke 9]

01010: No conflict there at all. Peace protestors aren't necessarily pacifists, you know, and being against a specific example of unneccessary war is a far cry from being against any conflict in general. ****, I'm all for war in about 90% of the cases it occurs (namely, civil wars), but I'm still against this one, militantly if need be, because the US army is going out there and killing people basically only to fill out Bush's political agenda and compensate for the fact that what is supposedly the best intelligence system in the world can't find a single celebrity, even when we already know exactly where he is (the "no-entry" zone of Pakistan).

An all the heartwarming fluff of Iraqis Uncle Tomming to US soldiers is just that. You'd kiss ass if 30 or 40 armored guys with M16s showed up at your place looking to kill some locals, and you'd better believe the news is being careful about who it picks to show on TV anyway. Half the guys I've seen harp on about how much "we Iraqis" love getting carpet-bombed haven't been IN the country for decades, and were kicked out precisely because they were FAR more militantly anti-Saddam than most people, yet too chicken**** to actually take to the streets and trenches like the Shias and Kurds (who we're still trying to screw over- seriously, what's with us?).

Really, grow up. Nobody likes being bombed and shot at, and nobody likes the forced removal of the system that's keeping them fed. Saddam is most certainly a bastard and a half, and no doubt there aren't many Iraqis who like him, but it's childish to try to fool yourself into believing that they're actually willing to be killed just to get rid of the bastard, or that such a militantly anti-US populace suddenly loooooves Americans and can't get enough of their "liberating" anything that looks like it may now or at some point in the future shoot back.

[kasperl]

i skimmed the thread, so don't bash me if i missed anything:

from what i heard, i find the Dutch position pathetic, we have a "president" who thinks is middle-of-the-road solutions are the best, wich in turn makes everbody mad at him instead of everybody happy. and in a way, we are supporting the war military, by alowing our F16's to stay around Afganisthan.

i really hate this, the Dutch leaders are messing things up here bigtime, but that's another topic.

i don't like this war, but there's nothing i can do about it, so i can only hope things go without much casualty's. but i'm afraid this is going to turn into Vetnam mark II. i think that oncew the Americans get into the city's, somebody will start using the same tactics as in Tjetsjin (sp???), wich would result in very high casualty rates.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by kasperl
i skimmed the thread, so don't bash me if i missed anything:

from what i heard, i find the Dutch position pathetic, we have a "president" who thinks is middle-of-the-road solutions are the best, wich in turn makes everbody mad at him instead of everybody happy. and in a way, we are supporting the war military, by alowing our F16's to stay around Afganisthan.



i really hate this, the Dutch leaders are messing things up here bigtime, but that's another topic.

But I have a feeling they will be revising their posistion tomorrow in their debate.
 

[Stryke 9]

They're not the only ones.

[J.F.K.]

Originally posted by Tiara
Well, currently there is a debate on dutch television about it. As far as we know we are not supporting in a military way.

Good on you. Our Prime Minister is an idiot... well, actually, I was hoping that he wasn't and that he really had some better justification for the war, but I'm struggling to find one. I think he just wants us to be good buddies with the US, 'cos you guys buy lots of our beef.

[Turnsky]

mind you most (if not all) of australia's polititians are idiots, it's all a matter of choosing the lesser evil..


in other words, john howard is still a popular choice for PM simply 'cause simon crean is a bigger moron than he is that and nobody likes him let alone give a ****

[deep_eyes]

i just the other night discovered australia had a "military" of some sort...

[Turnsky]

meh, the best we've got is the SAS which aparrently, the US is rather impressed with..

[J.F.K.]

Originally posted by Turnsky
mind you most (if not all) of australia's polititians are idiots, it's all a matter of choosing the lesser evil..

in other words, john howard is still a popular choice for PM simply 'cause simon crean is a bigger moron than he is that and nobody likes him let alone give a ****

True... we have had a couple of gems in the past, like Paul Keating, but he was too smart for the general Australian populace. But he gets balanced by Richard Alston, who tried to 'ban' online casinoes and porn. With people like that running the country, I think someday I'll move to a Pacific island and set up my own kingdom. Gotta be better.