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Offline Lightspeed

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well, of course there's several ways to interprete shivan technology.
However, being a shivan (*1), i can assure you that the stuff the ships are mainly built of is metal. I'm not going into details here, but metal tends (even when painted) to be shiny. Whereas the ships of the scouting fleet were only weakly armoured they revealed more of the actual ship's inner workings, a look at the FS1 textures will show what I mean. As the GTVA started to put more resistance than expected, the situation actually needed some attack ships, which, of course, need to be armoured. Look at the shivan fighter maps from FS2. They still have the black parts, although they're mostly covered by heavy metal plates. Of course metallic hull plating makes sense:

1. metals have a very high melting temperatur

2. temperature will be distributed to the whole metal plate in very short time

3. metal can be reinforced if you put several layers onto each other and melt them together

4. metals have a very very high density

5. you can mix metals any way you want to achieve special effects; only metals are capable of 'metal bondings'.

Any metal also has the feature that the electrons can be stimulated to higher energy levels quite easily (because they can be moved around freely between the metal protons, which also provides a good conduction) so they can absorb and reflect a lot of light, they reflect preferrably light of the visual spectrum, which will cause them to shine.

--> FS1's shivans are not really shiny and death-black

--> FS2's shivans are not shiny either, but they have shiny armour parts (which are not even in the original texture black)

*1 : ask the Sheep or Ellanis  ;)
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I have another explanation:

Circa FS1:
Quote

DaveB: These Shivan ships look scary man...
MarkA: Nah, they're missing something... they look to Terran...
DaveB: You mean the grey hulls?
MarkA: Yeah... make them black.
DaveB: Black?
Mark: Yeah, black.
DaveB: Ok.

;)

 

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Offline Setekh

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Very pretty, dude. :) Still going in alphabetical order? How many you finished so far?
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Offline Lightspeed

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Originally posted by Setekh
Very pretty, dude. :) Still going in alphabetical order? How many you finished so far?


nope, since lots of models use the same textures, i'm doing models with unique textures and textures i havent done yet first. I'll be able to release the last models fast as hell, because i will only need to do 1-2 textures per model.

What I've done yet:

moved to first post...
« Last Edit: November 18, 2003, 08:47:37 am by 1317 »
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One nitpick:  Metals are actually considered to have a _low_ melting temperature when compared to materials like ceramics and some synthetics.  Against energy weapons, a ceramic based armour might actually be superior to metal, and since Shivans since to rely on primaries more than secondaries, Shivan fighters having a ceramic based armour would make sense and be less shiny.

However, the maps don't look like ceramic so I say the lightmaps look good =D

 

Offline Bobboau

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I think there armor looks crystaline, I've for a long time assumed they were some sort of atrifical diamond, probly with some sort of microscopic reinforcement

therefore I think when you are looking at them in most any direction they would be quite dark , but if light is going to reflect directly off the hull then you should see it
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Offline J3Vr6

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Ooooh!! Just a little while longer and I'll be able to download the entire VP.

I don't think my laptop can handle the 32 bit stuff, though :(  That's alright, though.
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Offline Ulala

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:yes:
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Offline Fineus

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Sexy, even more so in game. Good work as always! Want a custom title? PM me :)

(note: This is a one off since Lightspeed has put so much into this. I don't want everyone else shouting for one. Thanks.)

 

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I want one! I want one! :p
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Offline TheCelestialOne

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*looks through thread*

*wets self at the sight of the Sathanas*

Damn, the Shivans actually look scary now :D
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Offline J3Vr6

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Lightspeed definitely is the flavor of the month!
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Offline TheCelestialOne

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Ow, can anyone please instruct me how to use this all? I never really had the time to look through the SCP forum so I'm kinda a SCP n00b :p
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Offline Taristin

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Just put it in the FS2 data directory, and the game will sort it out. :)
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Offline TheCelestialOne

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Eh,got the glowmaps to work but shinemaps just won't work.

Any commandline I need to use?

I use the following:

- SCP build 3.5.5
- Launcher
- Media VP 3.5.6
- Downloaded all maps seperately even.
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Offline Ulala

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Erhm.. yeah and can you explain in the newbiest terms possible? I've about the same as TCO, but my models look like crap (like 8-bit, seriously), glowmaps work, but shinemaps don't. Help?  :confused: :doubt:
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Offline Lightspeed

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Originally posted by Ulala
Erhm.. yeah and can you explain in the newbiest terms possible? I've about the same as TCO, but my models look like crap (like 8-bit, seriously), glowmaps work, but shinemaps don't. Help?  :confused: :doubt:


actually, the textures ARE 8-bit. (although they shouldnt look crap). What's the prob with the shinemaps? dont they get rendered at all? Do they work but look weird? Do they crash the game?

If they look weird, a screenie would be good...

I had some pretty spooky shine effects on my old voodoo III (it didnt even really work with FSopen lol) so it might be an issue with the vid card, too.

System specs would help :)
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hmm while on the topic of tech support...
When i play Fso with all the new 1337ness i have a bit of a performance problem with your new engin trails. FSO renders all the other effects well with almost no slowdowns but when i look at a ship with your trails FSO slows from a peachy 35 fps to about 10...

will swiching to 8 bit solve this? or is it just a problem with using TGAs

and Bob (or whoever): if i converted the trails to JPG would that be faster?

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