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"You wouldn't get it."

[karajorma]

Originally posted by TrashMan
@Kajorama - what's symbolic..If you really can't filter that out, why the hell am I even talking to you?

Okay. Story of Job. Is that symbolic? No real unexplainable supernaturalness in that story but is that symbolic? Cause God comes off as a bit of a bastard in that one.
  Jonah and the whale (or whale shark if you're one of those idiots who takes ever single word in the bible and the absolute truth ). Is that symbollic? Seems unlikely someone could be swallowed and not digested.
 The bits where the same god of infinite love gave laws that women who are raped and didn't cry out really liked it and should be stoned to death. Is that symbolic? The bit about owning slaves? The 10 plagues of egypt. Are they all fake?
 Jesus. Is that symbolic? The whole crucifiction and rebirth thing not to mention the assention to heaven is just as fantastical as the adam and eve story which you say is symbolic. Is that all false?

I'm trying to get my head round what you think is symbolic cause frankly I think the entire thing is made up. Not a single bit of it makes any logical sense so expecting me to say this fairy story is true while this fairy story is obviously false is a little hard for me to do.

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Also, I wrote the wrong apocryphal book. The story of Lilith is from the "Alphabet of Ben Sira", and states that Lilith was exiled from Eden for not lying on the bottom during sex.

You're kidding me.  

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by TrashMan
@Diamondgeezer - The Bible was carrier on for generation to generation for decades verbally BEFORE it was written down...

Yes, we all know that. But can you tell me with a straight face that a collection of oral stories can be retold over several decades (if not centuries) and stay exactly the same?

You're quite right of course Kara. Annoys the hell out of me when Christians will pick and choose which bits of the Bible are true and which are 'true'. I mean a few hundred years ago the whole lot was absolute truth, and you'd be burned for suggesting maybe some of it was symbolic. Now we have the majority of worshipers saying the whole seven day malarky is symbolic of the formation of the solar system as best described by modern science.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by karajorma

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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Also, I wrote the wrong apocryphal book. The story of Lilith is from the "Alphabet of Ben Sira", and states that Lilith was exiled from Eden for not lying on the bottom during sex.
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You're kidding me.  

Sadly, I'm not. It's just one example of how the apocryphal books have even more problems than books such as Genesis and Revelations, the oddest of the canon books.

[karajorma]

I had a look on the encyclopedia mythica after reading your comment and it is true

Although it was more due to a kind of militant proto-feminism rather than simply prefering a different position in bed

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer

Yes, we all know that. But can you tell me with a straight face that a collection of oral stories can be retold over several decades (if not centuries) and stay exactly the same?
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That's exaclty my point!!!

The Old Testament must not be taken for granted, for some people trough which the story passed most certanly put in something of their own! That's why there are some inconsistancies and I bet that's why Christ came...to set the record straight...

@Kajorama - What is symbolic? Mostly that what science, logic andd history say couldn't have happened.....
And what I wrote above allso explains the brutal laws (like the rape thing). Those psycho priests had so much power in those days....

[karajorma]

Originally posted by TrashMan


That's exaclty my point!!!

The Old Testament must not be taken for granted, for some people trough which the story passed most certanly put in something of their own! That's why there are some inconsistancies and I bet that's why Christ came...to set the record straight...

@Kajorama - What is symbolic? Mostly that what science, logic andd history say couldn't have happened.....
And what I wrote above allso explains the brutal laws (like the rape thing). Those psycho priests had so much power in those days....

Can you see my problem with that statement? You're basically saying that a load of the stuff in the Old Testement was made up by the priests of the time.
 Your then saying that although the priesthood was no weaker in later times that the New Testement is completely unchanged and 100% believeable. Does the thought not occur to you that the psycho priests did to the NT what you say they did to the OT?

Besides IIRC Jesus did say that he wasn't there to correct the Old Testement, mearly to add to it.

[Stryke 9]

So, basically, take the Bible, remove all those nasty improbable bits like the miracles and the holy men and the stuff that makes the Old Testament in any way significant or relevant to any faith at all, and there you have it- the way it should be.

Oh, and for good measure, make God a fat guy in a dirty robe who just happens to be a bit smarter than everybody else.  He was a resident of the city of "Adam" and died at age 65-any references to the guy after that are the results of heatstroke or undercooked camel meat. Or they're symbolic of, um, beans. Yeah, beans. I mean, all those millions of people were way off base with that silly "al-powerful creator of the Universe" garbage, there's no evidence of that at all. Really, I don't know what they were thinking.

[TrashMan]

The Old TEstament was passed on verbally for hundereds of years before it was written down, and even then it passed trough kazillion priests....

The New Testament was written practicly imediately and a large part was written by the apostols themselves and materials from the new Testament were guarded durin the Roman persecutions. It is therefeore far more belivable then the Old Testament, Kuran or other similar books...
Even then, priest still tended to interpret things according to their own needs (Inquisition), alltough the text remained the same....

...You know what...this is starting to really bore me...I know what I know, you belive what you want...see if I care...
SIGNING OFF....

[diamondgeezer]

Ha ha, we proved you wrong

OK, so we've got Lib and Trash to stand down... who's next?

[mikhael]

Don't be a dick, DG. That's an0n, Kaz and ZB's jobs.

Let him concede defeat gracefully.

[diamondgeezer]

Oh come on, I've been working with barely a break all week. Let me blow off a little steam, FFS

[Stryke 9]

What, I don't get to be a dick?

Maybe I'm not trying hard enough.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by mikhael
Let him concede defeat gracefully.

Except that that wasn't a graceful defeat. That was a "Oh No. I may have been wrong all my life so I'm going to run away before someone proves me wrong."

Why else make a post refuting what I've said and THEN go away Trashman knows he's going to get called on his assertions about the gospels but he wanted the last word.

Originally posted by Stryke 9
What, I don't get to be a dick?

Maybe I'm not trying hard enough.

More noise less signal. Your arguements contained too much reason and not enough shouting

[Rictor]

T'was a good thread.

And now to give it a proper end.

[mikhael]

Hey! That URL promised CHICKS! I clicked on it and all I got was some lame comic strip about an old bag teaching that she called evolution but obviously wasn't to a bunch of annoying parasites!

Where's my chicks!?