[Flipside]

LOL True, my view is skewed, and the worst part is, in the case of the kids being kicked out onto the street, the parent is at home doing coke and ignoring her child, and the child often gets picked up, since a teenager out at night automatically looks suspicious, it's something in the hormones

I do agree that Family is important. I get on wonderfully with both my brothers and my parents, something I have been grateful for on more than one occasion.

Why does 'Nuclear Family' make me think of people glowing in the dark?

As for the single/married/gay/hetero thing, I don't really know enough about outcomes to make a judgement, I know our opinions collide on Gay marraige, so I'll leave that alone, but as far as raising a child is concerned, I must admit to be inclined to think a child needs, where possible, a masculine AND a feminine influence on their lives. But that is as far as I'll stick my neck out on that till I've done my homework

Edit : Also, consider this, even if only 2% of people are abused in one way or another, that still means it only statistically needs 50 people on HLP for one of them to be one of those people

[Kazan]

Liberator you didn't not just attack "Women's Liberation"

You are soo full of **** - they say no such thing -- Women's liberation is about EQUAL TREATEMENT - saying "you don't need to define happiness as having a man" is different from saying "You shouldn't have a man"

It's about equal responsibilities for both parents/adults - ie both cook, both clean, etc - instead of these stupid gender roles.  You know what my girlfriend normally does do the cooking, because she's better at it-  i normally do the cleaning, because i can do it really fast and efficiently.  We take turns doing the fish stuff (except for equipement construction and management: that's my job) because we're equally good at it.


"Womens Liberation" is not attacking the nuclear family - it's attacking sexism and stereotyping, it's attacking women being told they're not worth anything without a man, it's attacking women being paid less than $0.75 for every dollar a man in the same position, often with less ability, receives


Before attacking something liberator you should probably know WTF you're talking about

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Kazan
Liberator you didn't not just attack "Women's Liberation"

You are soo full of **** - they say no such thing -- Women's liberation is about EQUAL TREATEMENT - saying "you don't need to define happiness as having a man" is different from saying "You shouldn't have a man"

It's about equal responsibilities for both parents/adults - ie both cook, both clean, etc - instead of these stupid gender roles.  You know what my girlfriend normally does do the cooking, because she's better at it-  i normally do the cleaning, because i can do it really fast and efficiently.  We take turns doing the fish stuff (except for equipement construction and management: that's my job) because we're equally good at it.


"Womens Liberation" is not attacking the nuclear family - it's attacking sexism and stereotyping, it's attacking women being told they're not worth anything without a man, it's attacking women being paid less than $0.75 for every dollar a man in the same position, often with less ability, receives


Before attacking something liberator you should probably know WTF you're talking about

 

[Petrarch of the VBB]

All this thread needs is for someone to set the Take Hart theme playing...

[Flipside]

Time for the Gallery!

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,22680.0.html

[Liberator]

Kazan, I will agree with you that women can do almost everything as well as men and that, in the past, the Women's Lib Movement has acheived good things both for women and men, they have in recent years been perverted.  

There are some situations where a woman's presence is disruptive, on the battlefield for instance.  In a squad of big guys who are in peak physical condition, a woman is not going to be able, physically, to do what they do.  There are exceptions, of course, but make no mistake, they are the exception not the rule.  No matter how hard you try to train it out of them, a man is going to do his utmost to protect a woman in that kind of situation, probably getting himself killied in the process.

I don't want to debate this with you because we are so close together on most of it.

[an0n]

My Sister:
She's a heroin addict, a cleptomaniac, a liar, a general thief, a pot smoker, an idiot and a snide, evil *****.

She'll come around every goddamn day, wasted off her ****ing ass on booze, heroin, weed and valium, borrow money off my mother or grandmother because "We've got no gas and we'll freeze" then she'll **** off and a few hours later my brother will see her down town sitting in the pub, smoking, drinking and eating the remnants of a McDonalds and talking to her boyfriend about how easy it'd be to go to Amsterdam for the weekend and bring back a sack of weed.

My mom gives my niece all the spare change she has for a piggy-bank. She must've given her like £20 in 10p's and 50's and £1's. Then one time when my dad was 'round my sisters house he looked in the piggy-bank (because he trusts my sister about as little as I do) and it had like £1 in 2's and 1's. He asked my niece where it all went and she said "Mam and Robbie stole it all because they're evil". Even my 4 year old niece doesn't trust her; She insists on leaving any money that anyone gives her 'round here so her mother can't steal it.

I hate my sister and her loser boyfriend infinitely more than the rest of my family, and twice me and my dad have been on the way out to the car with crow-bars to go 'dispose' of her boyfriend for various things and were only stopped by my faggot mother, who lets the ginger ***** walk all-over her.

If I thought I could get away with it, her gas-line would mysteriously rupture and ignite one night.

[diamondgeezer]

Best I could do in a pinch. If you're wondering, it's called 'Leftbank', by the Noveltones

[ionia23]

"Never trust a lesbian to do a man's job" - Dr. Romano "E.R."

[Liberator]

an0n, have you tried an Intervention with a professional conselor?

Get her off the heroin, booze and other stuff, and help her with her psychological reason's for starting the stuff in the first place and she'll get better.  It sounds like she likes herself about as much as you like stepping in a pile of crap.  You need to get rid of the boyfriend, however you can,  as he could be the reason she's like she is.

You need to help her, an0n, because no one else will.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Liberator
an0n, have you tried an Intervention with a professional conselor?

Get her off the heroin, booze and other stuff, and help her with her psychological reason's for starting the stuff in the first place and she'll get better.  It sounds like she likes herself about as much as you like stepping in a pile of crap.  You need to get rid of the boyfriend, however you can,  as he could be the reason she's like she is.

You need to help her, an0n, because no one else will.

Uh. No.

She made her bed, now she can die in it.

[vyper]

I feel dirty for saying this (I may need counselling myself now) but I agree with part of Lib's post.

Only one part mind:

[q]You need to help her, an0n, because no one else will.[/q]

[TopAce]

To be more accurate: You MUST help her.

[01010]

Originally posted by an0n
My Sister:
She's a heroin addict, a cleptomaniac, a liar, a general thief, a pot smoker, an idiot and a snide, evil *****.

She'll come around every goddamn day, wasted off her ****ing ass on booze, heroin, weed and valium, borrow money off my mother or grandmother because "We've got no gas and we'll freeze" then she'll **** off and a few hours later my brother will see her down town sitting in the pub, smoking, drinking and eating the remnants of a McDonalds and talking to her boyfriend about how easy it'd be to go to Amsterdam for the weekend and bring back a sack of weed.

My mom gives my niece all the spare change she has for a piggy-bank. She must've given her like £20 in 10p's and 50's and £1's. Then one time when my dad was 'round my sisters house he looked in the piggy-bank (because he trusts my sister about as little as I do) and it had like £1 in 2's and 1's. He asked my niece where it all went and she said "Mam and Robbie stole it all because they're evil". Even my 4 year old niece doesn't trust her; She insists on leaving any money that anyone gives her 'round here so her mother can't steal it.

I hate my sister and her loser boyfriend infinitely more than the rest of my family, and twice me and my dad have been on the way out to the car with crow-bars to go 'dispose' of her boyfriend for various things and were only stopped by my faggot mother, who lets the ginger ***** walk all-over her.

If I thought I could get away with it, her gas-line would mysteriously rupture and ignite one night.

She sounds identical to my scavvying ex-heroin addict, money grabbing, ****witted, waster, loser and general mother****er of a half-brother, who I really cannot stand at all.

I know what an0n is talking about when he says she made her bed, I wouldn't give a **** if I never saw him again, it would be better for everyone if that were the case.

Complete wastes of life and total ****ing parasites.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]From experience I look at it this way; you can only help someone who wants help.

Those who do not are beyond help as they invariably return to their previous habits. You waste their time and your own. I tend to think that the best solution is to distance yourself as much as possible from them. Pity the kid's involved.
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[an0n]

Originally posted by TopAce
To be more accurate: You MUST help her.

No.

See, my grandmother bailed her out of a £400 rent debt a few months back. And what, I hear you ask, did she do? Oh, she hasn't paid any rent since, because she knows everyone will bail her out because all my other relatives are complete pussies.

She systematically searches through all the bedrooms, coats, drawers and such whenever a room is empty.

And the only reason she doesn't steal from me is because she knows for a fact that if I found her taking my **** I'd cave her head in with a pipe.

[01010]

Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]From experience I look at it this way; you can only help someone who wants help.

Those who do not are beyond help as they invariably return to their previous habits. You waste their time and your own. I tend to think that the best solution is to distance yourself as much as possible from them. Pity the kid's involved.
[/color]

That's completely true. I was proud of my brother for kicking scag only to find that he was now working for two local heavyweight drug dealers, stealing motorbikes for them and dealing, because he's such a retard with money it ended up with him oweing some very nasty people some very large amounts of money, with high interest. My parents had to take out a loan for this **** to pay off his drug debts then he doesn't even attempt to pay them back. I want to kill him.

[J3Vr6]

Originally posted by an0n
...faggot mother...ginger *****

     

Sorry to laugh, but I repeated those outloud and it just sounds so funny.  

You brits and your cute little sayings.

[01010]

Originally posted by an0n
No.

See, my grandmother bailed her out of a £400 rent debt a few months back. And what, I hear you ask, did she do? Oh, she hasn't paid any rent since, because she knows everyone will bail her out because all my other relatives are complete pussies.

She systematically searches through all the bedrooms, coats, drawers and such whenever a room is empty.

And the only reason she doesn't steal from me is because she knows for a fact that if I found her taking my **** I'd cave her head in with a pipe.

It's ****ing stupid but we all have key locks on the bedroom door to stop my brother stealing stuff. ****ing pathetic it is.

[TopAce]

Originally posted by 01010


It's ****ing stupid but we all have key locks on the bedroom door to stop my brother stealing stuff. ****ing pathetic it is.

Not everywhere. I am an example, but it is another pasta I can trust my brother(now).
By the way, I wouldn't call this pathetic. You have your own possessions, the method you protect them is secondary. Effiecency is the most important.

At least this is my opinion. If my bedroom were in 'danger', I wouldn't care what method I would use to keep others away.