Originally posted by mikhael
There's no such thing as a missile that will never miss. If there were, either no one would ever fight a war again, or we'd all be dead. 
The problem can't be simplified to mere statistics of the planes we're speaking about, or the type of missile they carry.
The only thing we seem to agree upon, and which I think is likely that the Russian planes would own in "close" combat.
On the other hand when it comes to dealing long-range missile duel, the key factors of radar aspect, radar capabilities and electronic warfare come into play.
...and it's the tip of the iceberg. The very reason the 4th generation airplanes are so deadly is their integration into the information network (ala EF2000) - they can fire a missile at you and feed the data from a far away radar station.
The F22-s typically work in pairs - and it won't be the guy tagging you who's gona shoot the missile - he's far beyond missile range - it's his wingmate who's flying in stealth with his radar switched off.
This is what we know about the NATO planes...
...the question is wheter the Russian planes are capable of implementing such tactics - and we know nothing about that.
