[karajorma]

Looks like this wasn't planned though but in response to an explosion inside the school.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3624024.stm

[vyper]

This is what happens when you play with fire.

What actually horrifies me is the fact I don't even see this as being very dramatic or meaningful - it's just another attempt by desperate people to get noticed.

[Dark_4ce]

Lots of gunfire and battles going on. Many hostages saved. Even though its hectic, it seems to have gone down better then at the opera house.

[vyper]

ITN News got a cameraman inside the gym for about 2 minutes (before being ejected by Ruskie security) - he saw approx. 100+ dead bodies.

[Setekh]

Yikes. This thing is horrible. I empathise with being afraid of becoming desensitised, vyper... most of my friends are the same, totally indifferent to stuff like this.

[Hippo]

[q]A large number of people had earlier been seen fleeing the premises, many of them covered in blood. [/q]


... And that wasn't suspicious in the least?

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Setekh
Yikes. This thing is horrible. I empathise with being afraid of becoming desensitised, vyper... most of my friends are the same, totally indifferent to stuff like this.

indeed, unfortunately, children bear the brunt of these seemingly desparate people, who are trying to further their cause, which, only ended up vilifying it.. (people are gonna hate 'em more because of the actions of these people)

as for the children themselves, methinks the mental wounds would be more serious than the physical..  

but yeah, i'm getting a little indifferent to this.. 'cause action like this gets nobody anywhere, only injured or killed...

[Rictor]

well ****e.

[Bobboau]

I hope the Russians the best in dealing with this, and I hope that they can find the rest of the people responcable for this, and I hope they kill them. there is no excuse for this, it's a fucking school full of children, regardles of the situation in Chechnia the people responcable for this are criminals and need to be hunted down like the anamals they are.

[Stunaep]

Chechen separatists.... right, and the 10 of them that were killed, were identified as arabs....

As for the solution, that was to be expected. The last time the russians had a large hostage crisis in their hands (the Nord-Ost crisis, which they also blamed on Chechens, that time justly), their 'rescue' operation also ended with a quarter of the hostages getting killed.

[Stunaep]

PS. Euronews just stated that the russians were the ones who commenced the attack.

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Bobboau
I hope the Russians the best in dealing with this, and I hope that they can find the rest of the people responcable for this, and I hope they kill them. there is no excuse for this, it's a fucking school full of children, regardles of the situation in Chechnia the people responcable for this are criminals and need to be hunted down like the anamals they are.

That is assuming that Chechens were behind the attack. Do note, that nowadays, the russians blame the Chechens for everything. If a country who has blamed an act of terror commited by their own national security agency on Chechen separatists, I'd take everything they say about the chechens with a grain of salt.

[Unknown Target]

But see, killing 100+ innocent schoolchildren is not going to help your cause.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Chechyans themselves rejected this action.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Stunaep


That is assuming that Chechens were behind the attack. Do note, that nowadays, the russians blame the Chechens for everything. If a country who has blamed an act of terror commited by their own national security agency on Chechen separatists, I'd take everything they say about the chechens with a grain of salt.

Good point. What exactly are you reffering to though, it sounds like some black ops by Russia in the past.

[Sigma957]

Well no government deals with terrorist no matter who or how many hostages there are,sad fact is thats the stance on every government cause they can't open that door  and the children had to pay the price on that decision

[ionia23]

This is exactly what I was afraid would happen.  Unfortunately, the reality is those kids were going to be dead either way.  This is all that would have saved some of them.  dammit, dammit, dammit .

[aldo_14]

Reportedly - and this is from the Russians - they made a deal with the hostage takers to send in a small team to bring out the bodies of those killed on the first day.

During this, there was a small explosion which blew a hole in the side of (I think) the gym.  The hostages started running out, and the terrorists responded by shooting at them and chasing out after them.

The Russians reacted to defend the escaping hostages, and as a result they had to follow through by storming the building.

I think, though, that this was inevitable.

NB: I'm unclear how the initial escape occurred...the russian military guy who talked on camera (albiet via a bad translator) said it was as a result of an explosion, but it's also been reported that the Russians themselves blew a hold in the wall when storming the building (not as reckless as it may sound, the terrorists wold have heavy barricading in the corridors).

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Rictor


Good point. What exactly are you reffering to though, it sounds like some black ops by Russia in the past.

In 1999 an 8-floored buildingand a 5-floored building were destroyed in russia. over 300 people perished. THe russians were quick to blame it on chechen terrorists. Later it turned out, that the russian FSB (former KGB) did a series of training excercises in the area, and screwed up, blowing up the houses in the process. Finally the Russian goverment accepted, that it wasn't chechens, but rather the FSB.

Another interesting fact, the explosive that was used in blowing up the two airplanes a week ago, was the same that was used by the FSB in blowing up the two houses.

[Taristin]

But supposedly it's a common and rather inexpensive explosive... So it's most likely as widely used as the Kalishnikov...(sp?)

[Stunaep]

But do note, that the only one who profits from the two terrorist acts, is russia, and not by a small amount.
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and again, the 'chechen' terrorist group was made up of at least 9 arabs, and the better part of them came from other caucasian countries,  not chechenya.