[karajorma]

Originally posted by ionia23
SO much for open minded liberalism.  Someone told me I am as bad as the terrorists.  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Whoopie doo.  The guy made an off-the-cuff remark that he most certainly didn't mean.  How about you self-righteous bastards get over it already, or is your so-called "give peace a chance" routine just a bunch of bunk?

There is no cause so right that you won't find an idiot following it. Just cause one or two so called liberals get hot doesn't mean that there is no value in the idea.

  Out of all the people on the board I'm the one who should be the most personally offended as half my family on my dad's side are muslims. I'll argue with Fear until I'm blue in the face or he changes his opinion but that doesn't mean I'm going to suggest kicking him out of the community. If we do that we'll never prove to him he's wrong.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by karajorma


There is no cause so right that you won't find an idiot following it. Just cause one or two so called liberals get hot doesn't mean that there is no value in the idea.

  Out of all the people on the board I'm the one who should be the most personally offended as half my family on my dad's side are muslims. I'll argue with Fear until I'm blue in the face or he changes his opinion but that doesn't mean I'm going to suggest kicking him out of the community. If we do that we'll never prove to him he's wrong.

On point 1, you're absolutely right.

On point 2, he did offer an explanation, retraction, and apology.  People say pretty hot things when they get upset (myself, case and point).


Mind if I borrow your level-headedness for awhile?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Gank
btw the North did have a pro-union majority and still does afaik, so the situation isnt exactly the same.

True but do you believe the situation would have been any different had only the south of Kosovo declared independance?

[Fear]

Originally posted by karajorma



  Out of all the people on the board I'm the one who should be the most personally offended as half my family on my dad's side are muslims. I'll argue with Fear until I'm blue in the face or he changes his opinion but that doesn't mean I'm going to suggest kicking him out of the community. If we do that we'll never prove to him he's wrong.

i will say it agian if i wasnt clear, i didnt meant the muslim, i can edit the massge dam it! i meant the terrosits. if you were offended i perosnally apologize... belive me i didnt meant.

so sorry karajorma , i hope oyu can forgive me you are one of those people i trully love in this community, so so sorry.

[Fear]

Originally posted by ionia23


On point 1, you're absolutely right.

On point 2, he did offer an explanation, retraction, and apology.  People say pretty hot things when they get upset (myself, case and point).


Mind if I borrow your level-headedness for awhile?

thnx for the backup.
i really got upset after reading the number of casualtis, its reminded me my reality.

[Gank]

Originally posted by vyper
Yeah and not so long ago your so-called Army buried one of my citizens alive - a lovely young female British student who did nothing other than make a peaceful protest in front of an IDF bulldozer.

God aren't you people saints.

If you're talking about Rachael Corrie she was a US citizen. You might be getting confused with Iain Hook, an aid worker killed by the IDF in Jenin a few months before, or James Miller, a TV cameraman killed in Rafah (same place as Corrie was killed) by the IDF a few months after. Or possibly Tom Hurndall, whos a vegetable after being shot in the head by the Israelis in Rafah a month after Corrie was killed.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by ionia23
On point 2, he did offer an explanation, retraction, and apology.  People say pretty hot things when they get upset (myself, case and point).

Yeah but I still don't like the way he's blaming them without qualifying whether he means muslims or just the terrorists. The comment about believing that God will let you into heaven  if you kill for him is equally applicable to christians and jews so it doesn't constitute much of an apology in my eyes. There are plenty of nut cases in all religions ready to kill for it. Singling out muslims is just a case of finding excuses for bigotry.

Originally posted by ionia23
Mind if I borrow your level-headedness for awhile?

I can share it partially but I can't give it all away. I need it to survive this place

[Fear]

as far a i know Tom Hurndall died by the terroists.

i belive that every religon got it dark side, jew 2k years ago, christians in the medival age or 500 year ago,
muslim dark period is now.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Fear
i will say it agian if i wasnt clear, i didnt meant the muslim, i can edit the massge dam it! i meant the terrosits. if you were offended i perosnally apologize... belive me i didnt meant.

so sorry karajorma , i hope oyu can forgive me you are one of those people i trully love in this community, so so sorry.

I can empathise. Living in Israel you must turn on the TV and see another attrocity committed every day by those damn muslims. But what you've got to remember is that you're not seeing the stuff you're doing to them. The civilian death toll on the Palestinian side is way higher.  Their news reports would be worse than yours but you simply don't see them.

What both sides need to realise is that it's the inability of your leaders to grow up and act like proper human beings that causes the problem. The vast majority of jews and muslims just want to live in peace.

[jdjtcagle]

I'll be back when I control the frontal lobes of my brain...

[Gank]

Originally posted by Fear
as far a i know Tom Hurndall died by the terroists.

Dont know much then do you seeing how hes still alive

[Fear]

Originally posted by karajorma


I can empathise. Living in Israel you must turn on the TV and see another attrocity committed every day by those damn muslims. But what you've got to remember is that you're not seeing the stuff you're doing to them. The civilian death toll on the Palestinian side is way higher.  Their news reports would be worse than yours but you simply don't see them.

What both sides need to realise is that it's the inability of your leaders to grow up and act like proper human beings that causes the problem. The vast majority of jews and muslims just want to live in peace.

and we both know it wont going to happen... because we are the "conquers" the big bullis. and they (from your side of your view..) are the weak kids.

your tv decide to give you the weak side, mine decide to give me the weak side. infect we both suffer from this war wich us The israelis didnt start it! .

by the way.. until rabin has died we lived in peace... they have decided to change thier mind.

[vyper]

Yeah Gank, that was a brain fart on my part.

I still think it's out of order anyway.

[vyper]

[q]until rabin has died we lived in peace[/q]

Wasn't he the one shot by an Israeli?

[Fear]

Originally posted by vyper
[q]until rabin has died we lived in peace[/q]

Wasn't he the one shot by an Israeli?

yes it was the "guy".. he died because he belived in peace.
a trully great man.

[Janos]

Originally posted by Gank


I actually know a siberian who served in Chechnya, when you hear storys about prisioners been driven over with tanks and women being gang-raped to death then its hard to not see the Russian army as being terrorists. Tool or not, the russian army is as guilty if not far more than the "jihadis" of terrorism.

Russian "heavy-handed" :rolleyes" [read: horrible] approach to Chechnyan mutinies/whatever is what indirectly forced the insurrection to change form and rely on more criminal actions.

I was more referring to dictionarial (is that a word? I DO NOT KNOW) meaning of terrorist. Someone doing horrible **** does not automatically make him a terrorist, especially if he's in the armed forces, political goals, yadda yadda yadda, that stuff.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Fear
your tv decide to give you the weak side, mine decide to give me the weak side. infect we both suffer from this war wich us The israelis didnt start it! .

Ya it was the palestinians who declared independance and drove the jews from their land:rolleyes:  

Originally posted by Fear
by the way.. until rabin has died we lived in peace... they have decided to change thier mind.

You do know Rabin was killed by a right wing jew right? And Israel and the Palestinians have never been at peace? He was a good man though, worthy of the Nobel prize he recieved. Far better than the warmongering troll yis elected last time round.

This discussion aint going to go anywhere though, been done to death a few times here.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Janos
I was more referring to dictionarial (is that a word? I DO NOT KNOW) meaning of terrorist. Someone doing horrible **** does not automatically make him a terrorist, especially if he's in the armed forces, political goals, yadda yadda yadda, that stuff.

terrorism

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

I believe the Russian armys actions would fall under this definition. Words getting too politicised these days.

[Fear]

damn you i can get anymore angry than i am!
first of all, when the british left israeli there was 2 countrys! israel and palestin. somehow the leader of the palestinians decided he want all the terrtoriy to himself, and not just what he got(by the way he got way more than the israelins). he decided to go on to war, he lost badly...

when he palestinians lost a small group(israelin , i think...) decided they will take the justice to thier hand they slaughter more than 30 people(unarmed in a small vilage) or something like that and that called the "nakba", they acctually compared thier 30 man to the 6 milli  jews that was killed in WW2. after that happend the palestinians was scared to death and they ran for thier life.

so yes you can say we drove them from thier land but u can say aswell we won, fair and squre, and in a war there is some ugly scene.

and yes i know rabin die by a "right wing" man called yagel amir.
and please correct yourself he was extremly right.

by the way sharon is a great man...a great great man and there is many others to support me.

[Bobboau]

actions of individual solders in an army does not make the entier army a terrorist organiseation (it does make the individuals war criminals) unless these despicable acts were carried out in acordence with orders from very high in the army.

you know I think the israeli conflict and the fact that so many people in europe suport the palistinians is becase of a refusal to accept that someone can take and keep land in a war.