[Liberator]

Flip, I never said we were the only creations.  I also believe that there are thousands if not millions of sentient species in this galaxy alone, let alone the rest of the universe.

[Flipside]

I can give a rather nice synopsis on the formation of the Solar System if you would like?

Edit : I know you don't personally Lib, but I betcha know people who do

[Taristin]

Heh. The entire universe exists for HOOMANS to conquer!

[Flipside]

The funny thing is, had Dinosaurs developed a rudimentary culture, say around tribal level, with a 'spoken' language, and possibly simplistic writing, domesticating animals etc, we would find absolutely no evidence to say so. We can barely find evidence of human cultures 10 thousand years old, so image what 60 million years would wipe away?

Many of the smaller dinosaurs were pretty smart. Now I'm not saying that Dinosaurs were intelligent or had a culture of any kind, what I am saying is that if they did the odds of us finding any evidence of it are absolutely minute.

[Taristin]

Atlantis was of Reptilian Construct!

[Bobboau]

oh, I remembered this

[WeatherOp]

The reason I put evolution and the big bang together is because they are used together. And the only reason man made evolution is something to say they belive in besides a Allmighty God, because if you say you come from a "Primate" you don't have to live right, you don't have God to come and get you for living wrong. Man wants to make his on destiny, not allready planed by God. One thing that will seperate man form primates or any other animal. Is that MAN HAS A FREE WILL AND KNOWS RIGHT FORM WRONG,animals follow instinct, they do whats in their head, they don't  know wether what their doing is right or wrong, their only instict is to survive, wether it means killing your brother for that tiny piece of food. And that how They will never find the animal to link us.

[Flipside]

Humans are one of a very small number of animals that 'kill their brothers for food'. As a general rule Primates and most other species don't do that. Especially when there is no actual competition for it.

[Xavier Lazarus]

WeatherOp, I find it truly frightening that people actually think as you do.

[Flipside]

You know, I've just figured out why the guy in that 'Ascent of Man' poster looks so happy as he changes from a Neolith into Modern Man.... he managed to make that entire journey without showing his genitals!

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
The reason I put evolution and the big bang together is because they are used together. And the only reason man made evolution is something to say they belive in besides a Allmighty God, because if you say you come from a "Primate" you don't have to live right, you don't have God to come and get you for living wrong. Man wants to make his on destiny, not allready planed by God. One thing that will seperate man form primates or any other animal. Is that MAN HAS A FREE WILL AND KNOWS RIGHT FORM WRONG,animals follow instinct, they do whats in their head, the don't  know wether what their doing is right or wrong, their only instict is to survive, wether it means killing your brother for that tiny piece of food. And that how They will never find the animal to link us.

Evolution was created for no ther reason than Newtons theory of gravity were created, or Einsteins theory of Relativity. To explain observations about the natural world. That's wha science does. The rest of your post is essentially spouting anti evolution dogma.

Interesting fact - many primates, once aught to convey their thoughts through sign language or computers, have similar fundamental ideas to us. They share food among their groups, don't kill members of their own social groups, rarely kill members of other socil groups except in "wars" when one troop tries to enter anothers territory. Their 'morality', if you want to call it that, is not that different from our own.

[WeatherOp]

Now, wether they choose to use knowledge of right or wrong, is up to them. But, they have that choice.

[Annihilation]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Annihilation, if you believe that the earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs and humans walked together, you pretty much are a fundamentalist. As for why we care, it's because they're trying to force their laughable worldview on the rest of society by forcing it into the educational system.

Just to clarify this point I think that's bull****, obviously earth is billions of years old and dinosaurs never had the bad luck to walk with humans.

[Jetmech Jr.]

I find your discriminatory attitude towards animals offensive the squirrel living in my backyard, WeatherOp.

[WeatherOp]

I told myself that I should have left this thread alone.  Like I said before if you belive you came from "Primates" you did. But, I didn't. But, this subject will go on forever until the book of Revelation come to pass.

[Flipside]

What science is, is the combination of intuition and observation.

We could get into 'Why did God give us the ability to think and then not expect is to use it?', that's always good for a laugh

As for the Book or Revelation stuff......ummmm.... ok, problem is, how many people are working subconciously towards making that a self-fulfilling prophecy?

[Annihilation]

IF there is a God out there he obviously don't want to have his existence proved. So it's useless to try proving that or what He really wants. But you this was never about God but power, influence and people with different opinions that can't get along together.

[Annihilation]

And I don't know why people thinks that evolution is against religious beliefs. Just because of a book that's an obvious alegory, a fable? I think that genetics and evolution are a mechanism much more interesting than Hmmm, what can I put here in this savana? Oh, right, right an elephant and that evolution doesn't prove or disprove anything besides evolution.

[Ford Prefect]

Just to clarify this point I think that's bull****, obviously earth is billions of years old and dinosaurs never had the bad luck to walk with humans.

Yeah I know, I was just using the general "you."

But, this subject will go on forever until the book of Revelation come to pass.

If it does, you may rest assured that I will be among the first to beg for mercy. In the meantime, I will be content with the only substantial gifts religion has given us: its art, music and literature.

[Flipside]

Indeed, but anything that divides people up into 'Us' and 'Them' is bad, inevitable in the extreme, but bad.

Science started out as Chemistry, or rather as Alchemy, a practice designed to turn lead into gold, which usually only suceeded in turning gold into less gold.  However, in the course of their experiments, Alchemists took notes and starting noting similarities and properties of certain mixtures. Alchemy gave rise to various basic cures and remedies across a lot of Europe. Basic remedies such as boiled China-clay in suspension, which is still one of the most effective cures for diaorhhea. They may seem minor, but an upset stomach can kill you, ask any soldier.

The Church stamped on this practice pretty rapdily, after all, is just anyone could cure people, then it wasn't a miracle of God anymore, and there wouldn't be as much money coming in. What followed is known as the Spanish Inquisition, the Witch Hunts etc etc.

You see, every time science stumbles across an answer that doesn't neccesarily disprove the fact that a God exists, but lessens the influence of the Church over the people then you can garauntee trouble