[Moonsword]

Being Southern, with a very Southern background, you would think I could answer this one... but no, I have no idea.

[NGTM-1R]

It's a civil rights movement hangover thing. Nobody likes having stuff dictated from on high, even if it's perfectly good and sensible stuff that they agree with.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Liberator
Marriage, Kazan, no matter how much you ***** and whine like a little doggy is inextricably linked to religion.  As a religious ceremony, no matter the governmental statutes, it is a covenant between the participants to each other and between the participants as a single entity and God.

So since they don't believe in God Hindus, Sihks and all other religions that don't believe in God can't get married?

[Mad Bomber]

What a lot of the people in this country fail to realize (or sometimes blatantly ignore) is that not everyone in America is Christian or Jewish. So writing laws based on the beliefs of Evangelical Christians, even in a very local area, inherently breeds inequality, cause unless absolutely everyone there is the same religion, there's bound to be someone that gets shafted.

Also, what in particular is so "immoral" about gayness that it has to be discouraged by federal law? Please give specifics, but please, no Leviticus.

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Liberator
The people(myself included) who are against gay marriage are against it because it is sinful and against everything we know to be right and good.  

Let Me Familiarize you with a couple simple concepts

A) AMERICA STANDS FOR FREEDOM
B) AMERICA IS NOT A THEOCRACY

you're taking away A for gays (and christians not of your sect, and atheists, and agnostics and budhists, etc) and/via destroying fact B

Originally posted by Liberator
Marriage, Kazan, no matter how much you ***** and whine like a little doggy is inextricably linked to religion.  [/B]

A) no it's not
B) especially not when it's a state-sanctioned one

Originally posted by Liberator
As a religious ceremony, no matter the governmental statutes, it is a covenant between the participants to each other and between the participants as a single entity and God.  How do you think God feels being maligned like that?[/B]

he/she/it doesn't feel at all BECAUSE THE ****ING THING DOESN'T EXIST --- So long as you force your view on marriage into government you are violation our constitution, and the rights of other people who are not of your sect of your religion

PS there are christian churches that marry gays too genius

Originally posted by Liberator
As I have said, repeatedly, I am willing to meet halfway.  I shouldn't, but I'm willing to compromise. [/B]

what they hell are you talking about? saying you shouldn't be willing to treat people like human ****ing beings

Originally posted by Liberator
 I'm willing to let them have a Civil Union as performed by and Officer of the Court, this would allow them the "benefits" of being married without defacing the religious ceremony.[/B]

you people writing bigotry into the law, and trying to write it into the constitution DEFACES THE COUNTRY

HERE IS A CLUE: Nobody is trying to force churches to marry gays against their will: this is about government marriage not religious marriage -- you bigots can do what you want, but the government has to respect everyone's rights

Originally posted by Liberator
Of course, I'd expect them to pay taxes like married people and enter into legal contracts like married people, you know, the myriad of no so beneficial aspects of being married. [/B]

and so do they

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Mongoose
All right, just about everyone on this whole board has to come out of the closet, since you seem to warp just about every thread into a pro-gay-marriage bashfest.  What is it with you people?

A) im straight, i live with my opposite-gender fiance
B) resorting to insults like this shows conclusively that you have NOTHING to support your bigotry

C) BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN THE GOD DAMN CONSTITUTION AND THAT EVERY IS DESERVING OF THE SAME RIGHTS

[Kazan]

Originally posted by aldo_14


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4049013.stm

Originally said by my fiance
Oh my god! Someone is actually acting like Jesus in the church![/b]

(you know - that love your neighbor as yourself thing)

[Kazan]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Please tell me this isn't some civil war hangover thing........

basically

they don't like that the courts uphold the constitution in support of the rights of individuals they are bigoted against

[Tiara]

Blahblahblahblah....

[size=99]BLAH![/size]

The mere fact that this is still an issue in a country that proclaims itself to be 'the land of the free' is truly humorous. And the fact that this issue won't be resolved for at the very least another few decades is outright hilarious.

[Kazan]

i don't think it's hilarious - i think it's sad, i think it's pathetic


i think it's indicative of the right-wing agenda to destroy our constitution

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Kazan
i don't think it's hilarious - i think it's sad, i think it's pathetic

True, but from where I'm sitting it's truly hilarious. The selfproclaimed superpower is about as socially advanced as medieval Europe.

[Kazan]

yeah... just feel assured that some of us know that we're collectively being hypocrits

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Tiara
The mere fact that this is still an issue in a country that proclaims itself to be 'the land of the free' is truly humorous. And the fact that this issue won't be resolved for at the very least another few decades is outright hilarious.

The fact I find most ironic is that the people who trumpet it being the "land of the free" the loudest are usually the ones who want to repress freedom the most.

As Bill Hicks put it
You are free... To do as we tell you
You are free... To do as we tell you

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Tiara
The mere fact that this is still an issue in a country that proclaims itself to be 'the land of the free' is truly humorous.

You'll forgive me, but BUT THE HELL OUT AXE-LADY!

I'll not have a buncha pot smoking, amoral PC louts that couldn't find the right side of anything without help preach to me about morality.

That's what this comes down to:

morality

I, and millions upon millions of others, believe that being Homosexual and anything associated is morally wrong, period.  I, personally,  think it is abhorent for any church to openly support and promote homosexuals in any way when the book that they preach from so clearly is against it.

This is a battle for whether America will retain it's moral heritage and all that goes with it or sink into a cesspit of immorality where you can get away with almost any depraved act you could imagine.  

That is what I'm against.


As to the question of Buddhists and Sikhs getting married.  They are still making a covenent with The Divine, whether they acknoledge it as God or not.

[Tiara]

You and your millions upon millions, should be lined up shot and hung from the balls. And not nessecarily in that order.

You and your millions are what is keeping this world from being free.

You and your millions are what is keeping humanity back.

You and your millions are what is keeping in the dark ages.

You and your millions are what caused the dark ages.

You and your millions are what is holding our race back.

You and your millions are what is keeping a Human being from choosing his or her own fate.

---

Sorry, but calling me amoral just because mine differ from yours is not something i take lightly, mister Superiority Complex.

[Mad Bomber]

This is a battle for whether America will retain it's moral heritage and all that goes with it or sink into a cesspit of immorality where you can get away with almost any depraved act you could imagine.  That is what I'm against.

Mmkay. First off.

The slippery-slope argument is bull. Pedophilia and worse things will never, EVER, EVER[/u][/i] become legitimized by our society. There's a little thing called "age of consent", and I don't see that ever being struck down, by even the most rabid judge. Besides which, what politician or judge would ever want to be known for doing so? (Bestiality is even worse -- but animals cannot legally give consent, so there.)

Two. Consenting. Adult. Humans. Period.


Secondly, I'll ask again: What in particular about homosexuality do you (and others) find so immoral?

Thirdly, the vast majority of gays insist that their sexuality is not, and was never, a choice. I wouldn't know personally, cause I'm straight, but by that same token neither would you.

And conveniently, the Bible doesn't say whether it's a choice, either.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator


You'll forgive me, but BUT THE HELL OUT AXE-LADY!

I'll not have a buncha pot smoking, amoral PC louts that couldn't find the right side of anything without help preach to me about morality.

That's what this comes down to:

morality

I, and millions upon millions of others, believe that being Homosexual and anything associated is morally wrong, period.  I, personally,  think it is abhorent for any church to openly support and promote homosexuals in any way when the book that they preach from so clearly is against it.

This is a battle for whether America will retain it's moral heritage and all that goes with it or sink into a cesspit of immorality where you can get away with almost any depraved act you could imagine.  

That is what I'm against.

And you're going to be the one defining what is moral?

It's interesting how tolerance and understanding of freedom of both belief, expression and sexual orientation becomes the opinions of a 'pot smoking PC lout' when you disagree with it.....

[redmenace]

lol well in fair defense of people that voted against it: I am sure there are some that didnt vote for it becuase it is a constitutional admendment. Here in Virginia, I AM VERY CAREFUL when I vote for admendments because of how far reaching they can be. If I don't lilke the way something sounds I will vote against it.

[kasperl]

And the next Dutchman you call a potsmoker might just land a nice not-so-wooden-shoe in your groin. With good right too.

I'm not calling you a gun-toting-bible-bashing-drunk either, even though firearms are legal in the States, there are quite a few religious folk, and because alcohol is legal, right? Get it over with the stereotypes.

Sure, some people over here smoke cannabis. I don't give a ****, as long as they exhale away from my face, and refrain from smoking alltogether (including tabbacco)if I have to be near them for a longer period.


Redmanace:

[Tiara]

I always thought of Liberator as a person with a well-voiced opinion and at least held a little bit respect for him. But today, he has only proven that he is just as bad as a Jehova's Witness on speed.

In short I will not take insults and outright lies like that easily.