[Setekh]

Sounds like a pretty reasonable theory to me, Razgriz. Welcome to HLP.

[Razgriz]

ty, and that was just a part of my highly active imagination

[Kie99]

Exits are to your right and left, and flamethrowers are under your seat. Be careful, though, as they are sometimes filled with water, so bring your own Napalm or try to club someone with the non-working shotguns in the weapon closet. Also, be careful while wandering the ventilation shafts. If you see a large, five-limbed creature that looks really pissed, it’s probably Carl, give him your lunch and he'll hopefully go away. In the event of an emergency, the n00bs will be the last to get into the escape pods, if there’s any room left. The Plasma rifles in the forward locker are released only under authorization of an Admin, [V] God, or hyperintelligent shade of the color blue. Oh, and whatever you do, don't mention the word Freespace followed by the number 3.

Here is a far-fetched but possible explanation for the scouting party bit on the FS2 Box.  The Shivans sent a scouting party (a few fighters, not an invincible superdestroyer ) before the Knossos was activated but they got killed by the NTF. but they got killed by the SOC.

[Geezer]

In case you missed it, here's mine - MindGames  :thepimp:

[Flipside]

Of course the question is, why was the Lucifer/Eva shielded when the Shivans made no attempt to shield any of the other capital ships? Is the Lucifer a newer design, or is there something specific being protected on the Lucifer class destroyers?

[aldo_14]

Or is the shielding a side effect of something else about the Lucy?

(NB: Eva?  Wasn't that the Demon you destroy with the Tsunami bombs?)

[ShadowWolf_IH]

yeah it was.

[Flipside]

Sorry, not the Eva, my mistake

[dan87uk]

Originally posted by Flipside
Of course the question is, why was the Lucifer/Eva shielded when the Shivans made no attempt to shield any of the other capital ships? Is the Lucifer a newer design, or is there something specific being protected on the Lucifer class destroyers?

only the lucifer was shielded, and perhaps as you say the lucifer was a newer design....i dont think thats it though, i think it may just be to protect the reactors or the fact that its a WMD Platform ship if you think about it (Fires WMD on Vasuda Prime)

[StratComm]

Please, if you're going to describe the Lucifer like that, it'd be an orbital bombardment platform.  This be Freespace.  There be no WMD's here.  :arr:

[ShadowWolf_IH]

yeah me and StratComm were there, there were no WMD's.  In fact i would have been killed if StratComm hadn't busted out with a quick model to get us off planet.

[dan87uk]

Originally posted by StratComm

 orbital bombardment platform

ahhh, thts the phrase i was looking for StratComm, sorry i bin readin too many threads about Iraq or sumthin

[Flipside]

Possibly, but then, it just seems...odd that the Lucifer is the only ship built in such a way by the Shivans. For a race that seem to be phsychopathic to the point of suicidal, why suddenly expend all this trouble on a single ship. The firepower on that thing is incredible, I seem to recall in a one-one fight it would beat a Sathanas.

Basically, it just seems too powerful to simply be a Orbital Attack vehicle. It was certainly some kind of command ship, since the Shivans lost coherence when it was destroyed, but, what commands, issued by who?

Edit : I know we are not 'supposed' to compare Shivans to Insects, but the only parallel that I can think of is when some hive insects lose a Queen and have no replacement. Or, more importantly, when a new 'Queen' has left her nest with some workers and drones, and is killed before she can establish a new Hive....

[ShadowWolf_IH]

ok in all honesty, i've said it before and i will say it again, the shivans are absolutely alien, they have evolved in a different direction.  everything about them is alien, right down to the way that they think, we therefore, could not even begin to fathom the reasoning behind the simplest thought, let alone the reasons for the things that they have done.  we could speculate as to why, but we would still be looking at it from a human perspective, not from a shivan one.  we may never know why they did what they did, unless we talk to Bosch, and even then, we may know why, but we may not understand why.

[Flipside]

Indeed, but we must also bear in mind that the Shivans were created by humans (Volition), so there is nothing they can think up for them that we cannot

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by Flipside
Possibly, but then, it just seems...odd that the Lucifer is the only ship built in such a way by the Shivans. For a race that seem to be phsychopathic to the point of suicidal, why suddenly expend all this trouble on a single ship. The firepower on that thing is incredible, I seem to recall in a one-one fight it would beat a Sathanas.

Basically, it just seems too powerful to simply be a Orbital Attack vehicle. It was certainly some kind of command ship, since the Shivans lost coherence when it was destroyed, but, what commands, issued by who?

Edit : I know we are not 'supposed' to compare Shivans to Insects, but the only parallel that I can think of is when some hive insects lose a Queen and have no replacement. Or, more importantly, when a new 'Queen' has left her nest with some workers and drones, and is killed before she can establish a new Hive....

Lucifer take on a Sathanas? where do you get that from.

It took Lucy 4 salvos to take out the Galatea - something a Sath would do in 1 salvo. Not to mention a Sath has 1000000hp

[Kie99]

Of course the Lucifer would beat the Sathanas!  Its got an invincible shield.  And before you come at me with that "Beams pierce shields" rubbish there were weapons in FS1 that penetrated shields but they didn't even scrath the Lucifer.

[aldo_14]

The Lucifers shields were only impenetrable by weapons of FS1 era strength (i.e. not applicable to beams, or indeed FS2 conventional lasers or bombs) - I believe Volition said that long ago in the days of the VBB.

[BlackDove]

I'm with aldo on this one.

After all, if the Colossus was made to fight the Lucifer, it means that Lucy would've easily gone down with any of the new weapons in the GTVA arsenal.

They were preparing to see another Lucy......not the Sathies though.....

Also, corrrect me if I'm wrong, but the Terran Orion's, etc. - they all got a major hull update, so that the player's primary weapons can't dent it. Kinda like what the Lucy was about.

Mewh.

[Kie99]

I always thought the Colossus would just track the Lucifer down in subspace and then kill it.