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Offline Charismatic

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Collossus, right or wrong move?
Very interesting to play..

Alpha 1 should be admiral after 10 missions. 10 missions =;s aprox. 20 blown up capital ships of all sizes, and about 50 downed wings of fighters 20 of bombers. Hell were a death machine. We do more then a bloddy cap. Except the colossus.

What other fighter or Wing for that case, actually kills more then 1 capital ship in its lifetime. Man.

Maby why command dont like sending reinforcements:
1)afriad A1 will mistake it for a "Hostiles Inbound!" (which you hear every other second).
2)wants you to get a higher kill count to give you a tripple ace.
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Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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i forget which mission it is in FS1, but if you just hang around far away from the lucy, she sends wing after wing after wing of basilisks after you, i racked up over 100 kills on that mission alone.  just me and my support ship out there.
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Offline Taristin

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Thats because you could out maneuver a Basilisk if you were floating dead in space. :p

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Offline TrashMan

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Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14


a) The GTVa had at least one blockade as quoted

b) the GD-Capella blockade was to allow a second line of defense to be drawn up within Capella, possibly to blockade the Capella node itself; or simply to try and contain the Sathanas within the GD system rather than heavily populated Capella

(remember the GTVA could not simply assume any blockade would fail; it had to plan on the hope of stopping the Sath ASAP)

c)One blockade = only one chance.  (and you're assuming they could get enough density of ships).  

Also, blockade b can learn from the fate of a.

And b can better organise itself with the time a buys

Any blockade upon the node from GD is either dependent upon assuming the incoming ships' vector, or risks spreading out the fleet and losing density of fire.

And there is always the risk that the Shivans use a forward ship to distract the blockades firepower, and buy the following Sathanas time; remember that a blockade is effectively blind until the target arrives, AFAIK there has never been an instance where incoming hostiles have been detected prior to their immediate arrival (except when tracked from the other side).

The intelligent solution, of course, would have been to destroy the Gamma Draconis node from the Capella side; but the GTVA still thought destroying the Sath could win the war.......




True, but what the hell was the Colossus waiting for? It WAS in the Capella, why didn't it join the GD node blockade?
Instead it waited for it to be obliterated and only then proceeded to engage the Satahanas with 4 fighters as escort????

And 1 big blockade is more likely to work against a frigging super ship like a Sath than 3 small ones.
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Offline Kie99

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The blockade wasn't meant to destroy the Sath IMO, I think it was meant to weaken it sufficiently so that the Colossus could finish it off.
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Offline Charismatic

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Yet it was 100% when we faced it, right? *Sigh*
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by TrashMan

True, but what the hell was the Colossus waiting for? It WAS in the Capella, why didn't it join the GD node blockade?
 


The Colossus was probably being held in reserve as a last resort; the GTVA wouldn't want to risk its best asset until a moment of its own choosing.   Or perhaps it required rearming / repair after evacuating GD and/or the nebula (I don't think the C's position is stated after the Iceni escapes it; the last mission sees it in GD at the node, it next crops up in Capella).

It's not unarguable that it did join the blockade of the GD node, too; the command brief states that either

The Satahanas has entered the Capella system and engaged the Colossus.



The Satahanas entered the Capella system and obliterated the line of defense we had established to intercept it. We now have no choice but to send in the $f Colossus.


Which don't preclude the Colossus being part of the life of defense (but indicate it is possibly a rearguard element)

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Originally posted by TrashMan

Instead it waited for it to be obliterated and only then proceeded to engage the Satahanas with 4 fighters as escort????


Actually, it waited for the Sathanas to be disarmed as much as possible; the Colossus was only able to destroy the crippled Sath by massively overcharging its beams, after all - who's to say it could have done so under intense fire.

And the 4 fighters thing is simply IMO  to stop the mission getting too crowded and slow... Volition would probably have preffered a massive battle, but that'd be crippling on most computers at the time.  

Also they would have cut down on the number of Shivan fighters to ensure the player had a fair chance of destroying the 4 beam turrets if they failed previously.

Of course, if the previous blockades were large (comprised the 'bulk of the fleet' IIRC), then perhaps there weren't many free ships anyways; the Sath didn't travel alone.

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Originally posted by TrashMan

And 1 big blockade is more likely to work against a frigging super ship like a Sath than 3 small ones.


Remember that Bearbaiting was to 'give the Colossus a chance' and you can clearly see why Command would be reluctant to risk not only their best military asset, but a massive propaganda one.  You could view the entire GTVA strategy as trying to break down the Sath before the Colossus could reach it (as the Colossus is possibly the only ship able to inflict enough damage to the hull in a single battle)

Finally, we're not taking several small blockades, here.  We're talking of a task force to seal the node, a blockade force at the GD-Capella node, and the rallied ships in Capella (including the Colossus); it also means the Sath has to spend more time fighting to get through them.  

The first blockade was also partly to allow damaged ships to reach a Capellan rally point and prepare for engaging the Sath (i.e. to buy time).

With a single blockade - even assuming you can assemble and organize them in time, and that you have enough firepower to destroy the Sath - you only have a single shot.  If that blockade fails, then you've just doomed Capella.... and there are ways to beat even the largest blockade (simplest being sending lots of ships to distract, disable and harry the blockade ships in order to protect your key assets).

The single blockade plan might work; but if it fails, it is a catastrophe.  'eggs in one basket' and all that.

 

Offline Charismatic

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Very good assesment Aldo.
I wonder what debriefing one of the surviving pilots got, (of the obliverated blockade) probably one of the 'you have failed this mission pilot. All of our ships were lost, and now weve doomed the terran and vasudan races to extinction soon. Our only chance is the colossus, which is recently getting its ass whoped all over capella.."
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Offline Kie99

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*goes off to make high noon into the massive battle :v: probably intended*
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Offline Kie99

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EDIT:  Right-click link and click save target as. Sorry
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Offline Goober5000

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Link doesn't work.

And I highly doubt the quality of a mission you made in less than one hour. ;)

 

Offline Charismatic

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Dam, wish i woulda read goobers post before i kept trying to d\l the file.. *sigh*
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Offline karajorma

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Originally posted by Goober5000
And I highly doubt the quality of a mission you made in less than one hour. ;)


:) Well if all he had to do was add a few more fighters and bombers to the mission and then tighten up the SEXPs to reflect requiring the area to be cleaned up before the end of the mission it should be possible to do all that in an hour :)
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Offline Kie99

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Right click link and click Save-target-as, sorry, and I only editted the actual action, and added a few destroyers and corvettes, I didn't edit any de/briefing.
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Offline Charismatic

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thanks, il play it tonight; er when i get time, that is..
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