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Offline Charismatic

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Collossus, right or wrong move?
Hello all,
Im wondering your opinions on weither the collossus captain was right or wrong?

He sacrificed the lives of 30,000 (or 300,000? donno which) crew, just to stall the sathanis for like what, 15 seconds? What good did it do?

Where was the sathanis heading\what previous damage did it do? No planetary bombardments right?

I personally think the captain shoulda followed orders and jumped.

It is the biggest tragity in the history of FS i think. 30, 000 crew, dead just like that, NO PODS!

Other minor questions\debatable topics

1)Why no pods? In VA2, when hull gets low, pods come, but why no pods?
2)Where are the pods located on the colossus?

More good could have been done if he jumped and repaired.
(His engins were online..wernt they?)
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Collossus, right or wrong move?
Replay "Their finest hour."

Pods may have been a moot point.  When the collussus goes up, it goes up big time, and it may have been a situation where if you eject early, the shivans shoot you in the pod, and if you eject late, your pod goes down in the giant honking shockwave.

At any rate, given the sheer size of the collusus and the amount of time between the juggernaut's arrival and the collusus's destruction, you couldn't have reached an escape pod from the middle of the ship if you were in a porsche.

There was no choice to jump.  The collussus's engines are disabled at the beginning of the mission.  It couldn't have jumped if it had wanted to.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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I think the disabled-engines thing was so the Colossus would stay put.
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Offline Dark RevenantX

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Collossus, right or wrong move?
The Captain was a descendant of Hitler, thats why.

 

Offline Grug

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Originally posted by Dark RevenantX
The Captain was a descendant of Hitler, thats why.

:lol:
Easy does it. :p

Maybe on another channel command ordered them to stay and die for no purpose. All for the reason that on the off chance that Alpha1 survives the super nova, they will question what happened for the rest of eternity.

 

Offline Taristin

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Colossus was a major mistake.

It was never truly meant to fight the Shivans. It was meant to scare the rebelling factions in the dark period after the great war,  and to indirectly strengthen Khonsu's rule. it achieved neither.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Collossus, right or wrong move?
The stated purpose of the Colossus was to fight the Shivans if they returned...the Colossus would have easily overwhelmed a force as small as the Shivan force in FS1.

Besides, it couldn't scare the rebelling factions because nobody knew about it. Even Bosch didn't know about it. (I highly doubt he would have even attempted the NTF Rebellion if he'd known of the Colossus, because the Colossus single-handly shattered the NTF within a few weeks, which would not have been long enough for Bosch to achieve his goals in the background.)

When you consider that the Shivans were never seriously interested in challenging the Bastion's deployment, the Colossus' destruction was in vain.
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Offline Grug

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Lucky they were just fictional lives then eh?

 

Offline Carl

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yes, but you're missing the point.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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Originally posted by Grug

:lol:
Easy does it. :p

Maybe on another channel command ordered them to stay and die for no purpose. All for the reason that on the off chance that Alpha1 survives the super nova, they will question what happened for the rest of eternity.


"psst. hey colossus."

YES, COMMAND?

"if one of the 88 sathanas jumps in, and alpha 1 is still alive, don't jump out."

HAHAHA THAT'LL REALLY SCREW WITH HIS MIND

"i know hahahaha."

HAHAHAHAHA - AND I'LL GET AWAY IN AN ESCAPE POD, RIGHT?

"uh........yeah.........."
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Offline Nuke

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hehehe

yea i dont think the colossos was deployed to the fullest of its capability. it wasnt actually finished, id didnt have all its weapons systems installed. also there were all the great many tactical errors, and by the time collossus met sathanas it was not at its fullest capacity due to damage it had sustained in previous battles. at the very least they should have powered up the engines and rammed the sath to oblivion.
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Collossus, right or wrong move?
I think we should all take a moment to remember that it was indeed "Their Finest Hour".  The crew of the Collossus and the rest of the attacking ships drew off multiple wings of fighters, at least two cruisers, a Ravana class destroyer, and one Sathanas class Juggernaught.  That's not exactly pointless in my estimation.  The destruction of the fighter wings and the Ravana undoubtably saved some lives in terms of drawing off an entire destroyer and it's fighter compliment.  

Now, that being said, there is something else we should all remember.  Command makes decisions based on the particular mood they're in.  Intelligence is a moot point with them, since they apparently don't listen to the SOC at all.

Snipes: Yes, that's right.  Alpha 1 and I just returned from our scouting mission.  There's at least eighty juggernaughts heading straight for Capella.  You've got to do something!

Command: It's already been taken care of Snipes, no need to worry.

Snipes: So I assume you'll have forty Mjolinir sentry guns, plus the Collossus and six destroyers waiting at the node?

Command: Oh heavens no.  Why would we waste such valuable resources?  We'll just draw them in and send in the Collossus.

Snipes: You're not serious.

Command: It'll be easy.  We'll just use our other ships as sacrificial shields, while the Collossus single handedly jumps each and every Sathanas until we get them all.

Communications Officer: Uh, command, what about the Bastion and the Meson bombs?

Command: Oh, darn.  I guess we'll need a much bigger sacrificial shield.  Send in the Collossus, a Sobek, and Aeolus, and a Mentu.  That'll really irk the Shivans.

Snipes: And just how do you intend to keep them alive?

Command: By sending in Alpha 1, of course.

Alpha 1: What did they say?

Snipes: It looks like you really do fly more than one suicide mission.
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Offline Singh

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This is why i suspect it was a fake............
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Offline FireCrack

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i saved the collossus once, i didnt destroy that one lilith (baal i think), i just disarmed it's beam cannon and the collossus and cappela were saved.
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline karajorma

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Collossus, right or wrong move?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Colossus was disabled. There was no way it could have escaped even if they had wanted to. Command orders them to get out and rather than remind them that he can't the Captain seizes his chance to get a posthumous medal and a bigger widows pension by appearing to have done a brave and noble thing.

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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
I think the disabled-engines thing was so the Colossus would stay put.


I doubt it. Giving it no waypoints would have had pretty much the same effect.
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Offline aldo_14

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Command: "Colossus! Get out there!"
Colossus: "Gies a mo, eh?  I'm still on my lunch break"
Command: "There's a Sathanas approaching!"
Colossus: "Ach, you and your bloody Sathani.  Sathanas this, Sathanas that... you're like a broken record"
Command: "It's right there!  Look out the window!"
Colossus: "Don't gie us that crap, sunshine - do you think my head zips up at the back?  I know fine well there's no big scary ship out there, you just want that waffle iron brought back...."
*looks out window*
Colossus: "Baws"
*rather large explosion follows*
Command: "Alpha 1!  Scan that debris!  See if you can find my waffle iron!"

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Offline WMCoolmon

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:lol:

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Originally posted by karajorma
I doubt it. Giving it no waypoints would have had pretty much the same effect.


Er, wouldn't have still been at risk for its baseball-bat-of-doom thing?
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Offline karajorma

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Not if it wasn't ordered to turn around or given ai-attack-ship orders.

Unlike fighters capships generally do what they're told :D
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Offline Goober5000

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Not in this case.  I tested the mission with the Colossus's engines all at 100%, and no matter what I tried (short of play-dead), it always turned around and headed straight for the jump node.

I'm pretty sure the mission designer just disabled it so it would stay put... that way, all the end-of-mission stuff happens reliably.  This could have been done with a source code hack also, presumably; but maybe that wasn't an option.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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[OT]
Had the Colossus been able to move, it would've been a far better idea to jump somewhere else, possibly near the main fleet of Sathanii, and start shooting. It would've lived for the next few minutes, at least, and still would've been a threat.
[/OT]
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