[Blitzerland]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon


So why not go someplace else in the system where nobody else was?

Because, for the ten-millionth time, it was disabled. But, assuming it wasn't, they could've gone to the Vega or Epsilon Pegasi node.

However, that would have brought unwanted Shivan attention to the fleeing convoys.

[Luigi30]

Yes, why spread them out to attack convoys you'll never catch if you can keep them bottled up?

[Charismatic]

Exactly. I think we should fix the mission and some FREDer release it, without the C being disabled, then we could make a campaign FS2ish, but if the C didnt die + had all its turrets, to the capella insodent..

Anyone think of makeing a fully complete (The briefing movie of it and its 45 L. Turrets) C for show? Would be interesting seeing it fire all its turrets and beams at once (Even if its croped) fireing at multiple targets (thus drawing the fire from the C).

[Taristin]

There's a max turret limit... although WMC just beat that with a hammer, IIRC.

[Charismatic]

with a hammer? Care to explain that..?

[WMCoolmon]

I bumped a couple of limits and have gone through the turret code and modified a whole lot of that.

[Mefustae]

that is a good point that the Shivans probably would have sent another Sath from the their close orbit around Capella, i mean, if the Collossus did indeed jump out, the Sath it was facing would not have followed, as she would have had to recharge her jump drives. But then, another Sath would have been taken from around Capella to take out the Collossus where the first Sath failed, meaning that there would now be TWO bloody Saths roaming around the system and not at Capella itself, thereby endangering any other ship in the system, namely the Bastion. So there, the Collossus' crew didn't have a bloody choice about whether or not they were to be destroyed, it seems that they were stuck between the Proverbial Sathanas and a Hard Place...

[karajorma]

So new and yet he gets me perfectly

Mefustae

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
So why not go someplace else in the system where nobody else was?

They'd have had to update their jump coordinates. In the time it took them to do that the Sath would have killed them anyway. It's possible they might have tried that anyway but the end result would have been the same.

[Charismatic]

Should rename topic "The FATE of the Collossus", heh.

Command: So.. you wana die by one Sathi or two?
Col: Um, two sounds good.
Com: Well the down-side is we have 2 roaming Sathi in our home systems.
Col: Ok fine, one will be fine.
Com: Godspeed.

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by karajorma

It was sacrificing itself because they knew that the shivans would follow it and everyone else in the vicinity of where it dies would also be dead.

//excatly. Wouldn't it be better then if it jumped as far away from other ships possible?

Who says that they would have sent the same Sath? They had 80 of the buggers you know.

//Perhaps they wouldn't. But they could send another Sath at other ships anyway, with or without it jumping.

I doubt jumping the Colossus out would have made the blindest bit of difference to how dead it would be 1 minute later.

// but it would buy one more minute. It takes time to chargew the engines and jump. buying 5 minutes is better then buying 2 minutes.

Which is what makes the Colossus' sacrifice so noble. They had no guarentee that wahat they were about to do would have any effect whatsoever on the eventual fate of the GTVA ships near the node. They only knew that they could make it worse if they did try to escape.

///You just said the Shivans would follow. How would thier escape make things worse?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by TrashMan
excatly. Wouldn't it be better then if it jumped as far away from other ships possible?  

They were already at the Gamma Draconis node on the other side of the system. Exactly how far away do you want them to get?

Originally posted by TrashMan
Perhaps they wouldn't. But they could send another Sath at other ships anyway, with or without it jumping.  

Why would they send another Sath to the current location of the Colossus when the one already there was doing a perfectly good job of killing the Colossus

Originally posted by TrashMan
but it would buy one more minute. It takes time to chargew the engines and jump. buying 5 minutes is better then buying 2 minutes.

And yet again you're making no sense. Who are they buying time for? My whole point was that the Colossus's sacrifice had nothing to do with buying time because it's pretty f**king obvious that they didn't buy any time whatsoever.  It had to do with making the Shivans think that they could defeat the remaining ships with their bombers and smaller capships and letting the Saths go back to working on their suntan.

Suppose the Colossus had jumped out but instead of going after it the Shivans just sent two saths to hold each node instead? F**ked up the GTVA pretty badly hasn't it?

Originally posted by TrashMan
You just said the Shivans would follow. How would thier escape make things worse?

As I already stated if the Shivans followed them back to the Epsilon Pegasi or Vega nodes the Colossus would still have died and so would everyone else nearby. Doesn't that qualify as worse?

[Charismatic]

Yes it qualifyes.

[Blitzerland]

Cripes, it's really a good thing none of you have a position in the military.

//Sarcasm Enabled

Yes, jumping to a node in an attempt to escape will *so* not lure the Shivans after you, slaughtering you and the fleeing civilians.

//Sarcasm Disabled

[WMCoolmon]

No one is talking about jumping to a node. That wasn't physically possible. What we're saying is, why not do something instead of sitting there and dying? There was nothing to stop the Sathanas from jumping to the pitiful fleet with the Colossus and wiping it out, then jumping and taking out the Bastion.

Generally, in the military you don't order troops to do nothing in the hope that by killing them, the enemy won't send as many troops at you.

[NGTM-1R]

I'm not even convinced the Sathanas would have followed the Colossus if the Colossus had jumped. The Sathanas' deployment was essentially a defensive measure, so they might well be satisified with driving the Colossus off.

Funny thought I just had: What if those juggernauts that didn't jump out in End Part 1 were, at least partially, the GTVA's fault, because the GTVA interrupted the supply line between Gamma Draconis and the juggernauts around the star? They couldn't get fuel or parts or something, so they weren't in tip-top shape and malfunctioned or ran out of power when they tried to both keep the star-nuker active and activate their subspace drives.

[FireCrack]

^neat theory, furthermore mabye they didnt instend to even collapse the star!

[Dark RevenantX]

why would the sathani jump out of the area if they are going to die from the explosion anyway? it makes no logical sense!

[Jal-18]

/cliche pretentiously "intellectual" response...

Who says the Shivans are completely logical, by human (or Vasudan) standards?

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Dark RevenantX
why would the sathani jump out of the area if they are going to die from the explosion anyway? it makes no logical sense!

Maybe they jumped to the extreme edge of the system - or can remain in subspace for long periods of time.

[Mefustae]

Wow, what a jump, we've gone from "was the Collossus staying and dying the right thing to do", to "was the Collossus staying and dying the NOBLE thing to do", to "why the hell didn't the Collossus just jump away", to "did the Sathani get left behind because of their own error or human intervention", and finally to "what did those Sathani do anyway?!?".

Talk about thread hijacking! Yeesh!